It's rather funny, you can also find Carthage's real opinions on Kun's 'power-level' in that thread too (before trolling AP became vouge) : thread
Originally posted by carthage
Kun's canonically more powerful than any of the Jedi or Sith of his era (including Sadow, Nadd, Hord, Ragnos, Sorzus Syn, Karness Muur, Marka Ragnos), most of those Sith distance Dooku in power themselves. They're not even close.Obviously Kun dies, but suggesting he's as powerful as Dooku is nuts.
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Originally posted by carthage
AP single handedly destroyed my opinion of the character by lying about feats and using false sources.
Lmfao, stop pretending you're doing anything but trolling.
As far as Solo goes, ten months of advancement, where there is no hint in Darksaber of anything actually having occurred, besides Dorsk 81 stopped being a chicken shit. You're claiming that they massively increased in power despite no evidence to support it.
You're just theorising, which is absolutely irrelevant in the face of the fact that they were described as having collectively unlocked a power far greater than anything they could have even comprehended, when facing Exar Kun in a meld.
Besides the fact, that they had far greater feats in DarkSaber than they did in any source before? Besides the fact, that they were factually not through with their training, and had yet to be knighted? 😬
As I said before - it doesn't really matter. What Starkiller did in utterly crushing a horde of reasonably powerful clones with a single TK surge, is just as impressive, if not more so.
Vader was his equal, before becoming "far more formidable" in ESB, and further advanced that power by RotJ.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Besides the fact, that they had far greater feats in DarkSaber than they did in any source before? Besides the fact, that they were factually not through with their training, and had yet to be knighted? 😬As I said before - it doesn't really matter. What Starkiller did in utterly crushing a horde of reasonably powerful clones with a single TK surge, is just as impressive, if not more so.
Vader was his equal, before becoming "far more formidable" in ESB, and further advanced that power by RotJ.
By any source before, do you mean the whole of no books with their appearance since JA? Darksaber is their first major appearance since the trilogy.
Why do you insist they aren't done with their training, when they get knighted by Luke, who states they are near masters of all the teachings he has to give, just days after Kun's defeat?
A crowd of unprepared clones, all of whom are busy fighting each other, is certainly not as impressive as a prepared, focused and melded team of Kam Solusar, Streen, Brakiss, Cilghal, Kirana Ti, Tionne Solusar, Dorsk 81, Jaina Solo, Jacen Solo, Luke's spirit and Vodo's spirit.
Nor is the difference between ESB Vader and ROTJ Vader, anywhere near as large as the difference between an exhausted shade of Exar Kun with no sources of energy and the prime Exar Kun weilding an amulet.
Originally posted by The Merchant
AP I want to undeestand a bit regarding Kun>Jedi meld group. Are you trying to say Kun scales from that groups feat of TKing a fleet of Star destroyers? Not trying to be condenscending I just want to clearly understand your argument regarding that.
Nah, Dorsk 81 amped by a temple and weilding the power of thirty knights would be even more powerful than that. But that isn't really relevant to the point.
Originally posted by AncientPower
By any source before, do you mean the whole of no books with their appearance since JA? Darksaber is their first major appearance since the trilogy.Why do you insist they aren't done with their training, when they get knighted by Luke, who states they are near masters of all the teachings he has to give, just days after Kun's defeat?
A crowd of unprepared clones, all of whom are busy fighting each other, is certainly not as impressive as a prepared, focused and melded team of Kam Solusar, Streen, Brakiss, Cilghal, Kirana Ti, Tionne Solusar, Dorsk 81, Jaina Solo, Jacen Solo, Luke's spirit and Vodo's spirit.
Nor is the difference between ESB Vader and ROTJ Vader, anywhere near as large as the difference between an exhausted shade of Exar Kun with no sources of energy and the prime Exar Kun weilding an amulet.
I mean they had the entire JA trilogy, as was as a re-telling of the events of the story in I, Jedi, tbf. Did they show anything close to what was shown in Darksaber in the feat department?
Hmm, my bad, then. Fair enough on that front.
Don't see how those clones were "unprepared" when they were fighting, KEK. Intrinsic Force shields are pretty much automatic, and given they were in combat, their guard should have generally been up for direct, or stray telekentic attacks. Granted, they would have prolly survived had they had time to throw up shields a la Kas'im v Bane, but given they were Galen clones, possessing the all the attributes of the original, to a lesser, and some to an even greater extent --- it's still monstrous in spite, if they did, or didn't.
Maybe not, but the combative growth between Vader as of TFU, and RotJ was astronomical regardless according to sources.