Revan & Galen Marek vs Darth Krayt & Darth Caedus

Started by SeriousLogic3 pages

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Krayt isn't better in Force, and Galen puts up a damn good fight against Caedus.

I mean Caedus and Krayt together have better force power than Revan and Galen, the latter being the wink link. Marek's used to being the most powerful thing in the room and blasting you away with raw force power, against Krayt and Caedus he doesn't have a hope in hell of doing that. Plus his force defenses are nothing compared to the others.

Galen is still quick and strong enough to keep up in sabers though.

Originally posted by carthage
Draining Abeloth is well beyond anything SK is capable of

He said Krayt is > Revan, not Galen.

Originally posted by carthage
Draining Abeloth is well beyond anything SK is capable of

Mosquitoes are capable of draining humans. As far as I'm aware Krayt's drain didn't have a visible affect on Abeloth.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Can you post the quote of Krayt resisting a blast from Abeloth? The other stuff doesn't scale up to Galen in regards to Force usage.

Reposting this in case you missed it in the rapid succession of posts that brought us to page 2.

Originally posted by SeriousLogic
I mean Caedus and Krayt together have better force power than Revan and Galen, the latter being the wink link. Marek's used to being the most powerful thing in the room and blasting you away with raw force power, against Krayt and Caedus he doesn't have a hope in hell of doing that. Plus his force defenses are nothing compared to the others.

Galen is still quick and strong enough to keep up in sabers though.

I think Revan's Force Power can make up for Galen's lack of force.

Originally posted by SeriousLogic
I mean Caedus and Krayt together have better force power than Revan and Galen, the latter being the wink link. Marek's used to being the most powerful thing in the room and blasting you away with raw force power, against Krayt and Caedus he doesn't have a hope in hell of doing that. Plus his force defenses are nothing compared to the others.

Galen is still quick and strong enough to keep up in sabers though.

He was able to shrug off Vader's telekinesis and tutaminis Sidious's lightning. I'd say his force defenses are the best here.

Can you give me the reason you believe all the people listed here to be stronger then Galen?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Mosquitoes are capable of draining humans.

... and?

As far as I'm aware Krayt's drain didn't have a visible affect on Abeloth.

Uh, it's how they won.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I think Revan's Force Power can make up for Galen's lack of force.

What lack of Force are you referring to?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
... and?


Uh, it's how they won. [/B]

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Quote?

The fight itself was against a weakened Abeloth who was fighting in multiple forms against both Luke and Krayt and Ben and Vestara Khai with Ben being in a state of Oneness.

The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth's stomach. A black spray erupted from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab.

Abeloth loosed a Force blast, trying to drive the stranger off. He held tight. So did Luke, and all three went tumbling across the lake in a snarled mass of limbs and tentacles.

Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back. His first thought was Abeloth, that she had sunk a tentacle into his spine-until the lashing of her tentacles slowed and she began to shudder.

Luke did not understand until an eternity later, when the stranger rolled up on his feet and jerked them all to a halt. The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as Abeloth grew weaker, and there were wisps of dark fume swirling off his shoulders and head. It did not take a Jedi Grand Master to understand that Luke was being betrayed by a Force-draining technique.

Still holding Abeloth tight, Luke shifted his hips, rolling them both onto their sides, and kicked a foot through the stranger's knee. The joint buckled, and the Sith dropped onto the surface of the dark water, still on the opposite side of Abeloth from Luke.

«I'll release her!» Luke warned.

«Abeloth?» The stranger shook his head. «Never».

Despite the Sith's words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke's throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke.

The draining seemed to continue for days; then the stranger threw back his head and screamed in anguish, and it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed. Shiny black Force energy began to pour from the Sith's wounds into the lake, spreading outward around them in an oily slick so hot the water began to steam and hiss. Still, the stranger continued to drain Abeloth, and Luke realized that he was not being betrayed-the Sith was suffering as much damage from the attack as was Luke.

Abeloth whipped her chin free of Luke's hand, ripping the energy knot where they had joined and sending a sparkling line of both of their Force essences splattering across the surface of the lake. She began to roll her head around, gnashing and spitting, trying to sink her fangs into Luke's arm or the stranger's-anything she could reach.

Luke slipped his arm down around her throat and pulled hard, merging his form into hers, doing his best to keep her under control.

«Keep going», Luke urged the stranger. «Pull harder!»

Abeloth lay tangled in Luke's arms, a writhing mass of Force energy that had suddenly gone limp a second or a day ago, only to explode an hour or a nanosecond later into a flailing tempest that had sent them all rolling and bouncing across the Lake of Apparition's dark waters. The stranger was tumbling with them, his hand still buried in Abeloth's chest, now wailing in agony as gleaming black Force energy steamed from his wounds.

They bounced so close to the shore, Luke grew worried that Abeloth was trying to carry them away from the lake into some new place beyond shadows. And then what? His back hit the water again, and he spun them all around so that his feet were toward the shore. He planted his feet against a moss hummock and kicked off-and sent them all somersaulting back toward the center of the lake. Abeloth stopped struggling and seemed to shrink in his arms, and Luke dared to think that maybe, just maybe she had finally lost hope, that they had exhausted her to the point that she was no longer capable of fighting.

Then she was gone, leaving the stranger and Luke with nothing between them but twenty centimeters of space and the stump of the Sith's hand, now pointed at Luke's chest and still drawing Force energy, draining it not from Abeloth now, but directly from Luke.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
???

The analogy was terrible and without a point.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What lack of Force are you referring to?
Its not an incredible lack of Force, I think Galen can compete with Caedus, but I have Krayt above Caedus in sabers and force alike.

Though I have Revan above Krayt or Caedus in force.

How weakened was Abeloth?

Also why does Krayt not have a missing or prosthetic hand in the Legacy comics?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Can you post the quote of Krayt resisting a blast from Abeloth? The other stuff doesn't scale up to Galen in regards to Force usage.
Abeloth loosed a Force blast, trying to drive the stranger off. He held tight. So did Luke, and all three went tumbling across the lake in a snarled mass of limbs and tentacles.

-Taken from ; Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
How weakened was Abeloth?

Also why does Krayt not have a missing or prosthetic hand in the Legacy comics?


Prior to the draining? Not much, really.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Its not an incredible lack of Force, I think Galen can compete with Caedus, but I have Krayt above Caedus in sabers and force alike.

Though I have Revan above Krayt or Caedus in force.

I think Galen is above Caedus in raw power ( though not by much ).

My opinion of Krayt was that he was always Vader level. That might change depending on how weakened Abeloth was in the scene Ant quoted.

I view Revan and Galen as equals as Force users.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He was able to shrug off Vader's telekinesis and tutaminis Sidious's lightning. I'd say his force defenses are the best here.

Can you give me the reason you believe all the people listed here to be stronger then Galen?


Better feats, more refinement, equal to if not greater physicals and raw power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Prior to the draining? Not much, really.

... While I really appreciate that could you perhaps give me a quote from the novel describing her state?

Abeloth was obviously still powerful enough that GM Luke couldn't defeat her himself, he required Krayt's help to win.

Originally posted by SeriousLogic
Better feats, more refinement, equal to if not greater physicals and raw power.

Provide said feats please. Aside from Krayt since I'm already establishing the impressiveness of the feat with two others.