Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's one of his attacks in the gameplay.
Originally posted by Nephthys
During the fight. He fills one of their minds with visions of doubt, ragdolls the rest then fights the remaining one solo, losing and releasing their comrades. It's a scripted sequence
I know, I was waiting for you to say it, lmfao. Firstly, Choking somebody and lifting them in the air is something to the effect of domination but not exactly a ragdoll. Anyway, you're proposing that Malgus can so easily lift up, say, HoT, Barsen'thor and one of the others, and then, while they're helpless, he's stupid enough to chase the last non-Force sensitive (and fail to kill them whilst they're mentally afflicted, no less) instead of plunging his saber into the hapless bodies of his Choked victims? Especially if he has HoT and Barsen'thor, the two most powerful of his enemies, helpless in the air? Why wouldn't he throw his saber at them, kill them then, and then worry about the non-Force sensitives later (which would only take two gestures to snap their necks)? Gee, maybe it's his battlefield feats of stupidity that have never been replicated.
Gameplay scripted mechanics in TOR are absolute bullshit, lol. Even the non-Force sensitives pose challenges to the protags. I mean, HK-47 and other droids not being absolutely wrecked by, say, Nox's Lightning immediately? It's all fluff to make the bosses seem fancy and powerful. The reality is that Malgus would never be able to Choke HoT and Barsen'thor + one another at once without having to gesture and still fighting somebody else, just as HK would be instantly Force Crushed or shocked by Lightning into destruction.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I know, I was waiting for you to say it, lmfao. Firstly, Choking somebody and lifting them in the air is something to the effect of domination but not exactly a ragdoll. Anyway, you're proposing that Malgus can so easily lift up, say, HoT, Barsen'thor and one of the others, and then, while they're helpless, he's stupid enough to chase the last non-Force sensitive (and fail to kill them whilst they're mentally afflicted, no less) instead of plunging his saber into the hapless bodies of his Choked victims? Especially if he has HoT and Barsen'thor, the two most powerful of his enemies, helpless in the air? Why wouldn't he throw his saber at them, kill them then, and then worry about the non-Force sensitives later (which would only take two gestures to snap their necks)? Gee, maybe it's his battlefield feats of stupidity that have never been replicated.Gameplay scripted mechanics in TOR are absolute bullshit, lol. Even the non-Force sensitives pose challenges to the protags. I mean, HK-47 and other droids not being absolutely wrecked by, say, Nox's Lightning immediately? It's all fluff to make the bosses seem fancy and powerful. The reality is that Malgus would never be able to Choke HoT and Barsen'thor + one another at once without having to gesture and still fighting somebody else, just as HK would be instantly Force Crushed or shocked by Lightning into destruction.
See this is why I think it's kinda hard to debate TOR stuff, as the vast majority of the fights are just gameplay related and some don't really make much sense.
I knew you already knew, I was hoping you'd try playing dumb. Trap sprung, fool!
Lifting someone into the air for a long period of time without them able to break out isn't a ragdoll? Fascinating logic there.
Like I said, I've never claimed he could ragdoll both force users. That's ridiculous. And yes, it makes perfect sense that the remains protags could press him such that he can't finish off the others. He is overcome by them after all.
Non force users can last a long time against Jedi and Sith with tech and support, which hk had. There's plenty of examples in all eras of it happening.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Non force users can last a long time against Jedi and Sith with tech and support, which hk had. There's plenty of examples in all eras of it happening.
Well at least someone noticed this. I'll buy this one to a point. The Foundry one a little moreso than the FE Station one.
Fact though I still find it strange to debate these fights, perhaps use them to a certain point but that's kinda it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trap sprung, fool!
That's what the Trooper said to Malgus after the Strike Team toyed with him the whole time. They then proceeded to knock him into the battle station core 👆
Lifting someone into the air for a long period of time without them able to break out isn't a ragdoll? Fascinating logic there.]
Ragdolling as in throwing them around. I said it's domination to the same effect as a ragdoll, but not precisely a ragdoll.
Like I said, I've never claimed he could ragdoll both force users. That's ridiculous. And yes, it makes perfect sense that the remains protags could press him such that he can't finish off the others. He is overcome by them after all.
Except in game mechanics, he has to Choke each of combinations, meaning that there's at least one with HoT & Barsen'thor + one other being Choked. And then he fails to beat the Trooper by himself despite the latter being plagued with mental afflictions? lmfao
Non force users can last a long time against Jedi and Sith with tech and support, which hk had. There's plenty of examples in all eras of it happening.
The fight starts off with HK alone, and it's all four of the Imp protags. HK's a good fighter, but not durable enough to withstand a single TK Crush or Lightning burst (he got one-shotted by T3 in KotOR II, for god sakes).
And as good as he is, HK-47 can't possibly fight them all at once, LMFAO. If he's attacking the Sith, his head gets blown off by the Agent or his whole body gets annihilated by a BH rocket. If he's fighting one of the non-Force sensitives, the Sith just pick him up and crush him with the Force or one-shot him with Lightning.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
See this is why I think it's kinda hard to debate TOR stuff, as the vast majority of the fights are just gameplay related and some don't really make much sense.
Some of it works, but I've given up trying to make sense of TOR's in-battle game mechanics. They're all worthless fluff to make the bosses look strong. Disco Ball Lightning and faux Chokes don't count for the square root of jack shit, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Some of it works, but I've given up trying to make sense of TOR's in-battle game mechanics. They're all worthless fluff to make the bosses look strong. Disco Ball Lightning and faux Chokes don't count for the square root of jack shit, lol.
The Disco Lighting Ball could be useful for dance battles.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I wank Dooku about as hard as you can feasibly get, lol. I'm aware that he's above Maul in terms of power - above his level, in fact, but that doesn't mean he can ragdoll.Is the OP referring to Maul being bloodlusted or whoever's trying to ragdoll him?
I'd love to see your definition of "ragdolling".
Originally posted by SunRazer
That's fair. If Dooku's bloodlusted here, I could see him breaking Maul's Force defenses.
Sorry. What force defenses are you talking about? I might be wrong, and certainly look forward to be educated, but the only testament of Maul's "force defense" I have seen is him pretty much "ignoring" the "Force Lightning" attack of a Nightsister.
Meanwhile, Dooku dominates the likes of Anakin, Obi-Wan, Tholme, Sora Bulq, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress rather easily with the Force. And, you know, apparently Dooku's power-level did even give TPM!Sidious pause:
"You wish to learn the secrets of the dark side?"
"I confess that I do."
Palpatine restrained an impulse to reveal his true identity. Dooku was strong in the Force, and might simply be attempting to draw him out.
- Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, Epilog.
That Sidious thinks Dooku could attempt to draw him out in order to confront him based on Dooku's strength in the Force is quite a testament to Dooku's skill in that regard. Not saying that he could have defeated TPM!Sidious, but at least Sidious saw him as challenge - contrary to Maul. And we know that Dooku did become more powerful and dangerous after that, by his own admission as well as by pretty much all sources available on the issue. Although I have to admit that TCW makes him look like a clown in more than one moment.