Re: Re: Robert Reynolds
Originally posted by Enzeru
I'll answer that question for you, but I hope you don't mind reading a lot:On battle boards we always go with the most recent version of a character. And when it comes to the Sentry many readers make the mistake of not doing so. They look at stuff that has happened in the past, even though it doesn't matter anymore.
The Sentry had changed after his encounter with the Molecule Man. During that fight he went: "I have this" and then he did the impossible. He beat the Molecule Man at his own game. And that Molecule Man ripped him apart before. But Sentry reconstructed himself and defeated him. At that moment the Sentry had become truly invincible.The weakest the Sentry has ever been in the comics was during his fight against World War Hulk. Let's just assume that Incredible Hulk is a high herald strength and durability wise, when he is angry. And during World War Hulk he was far more angry. Is it crazy to assume that WW Hulk was a low trans, or maybe even a mid trans level character at that point? At least strength and durability wise.
And the Sentry at his absolutely lowest in terms of power fought that Hulk to a standstill. No one was holding back during that encounter. All of it is well documented.So you have Sentry at his weakest fighting off a low to mid trans level character. And that was prior to his "power upgrade", which he received during the Molecule Man fight, where he had figured it all out.
Speaking of the Molecule Man fight. During that fight the Sentry was not as unstable as he was during the WW Hulk arc. And with the Sentry he becomes overall more powerful the more mentally stable he is. It's like with Superman being near Kryptonite. The closer he is, the weaker he becomes.
So Sentry during the Dark Avengers storyline was above a low to mid trans level character. And the Molecule Man ripped someone like that apart like he was nothing. The Molecule Man also transformed the Adamantium in Bullseyes spine into water. So Molecule Man as well was easily above a low to mid trans level character at that point. Since they are usually not capable of destroying +high herald level opponents like that. Thanos has molecule manipulation to an extent and he wouldn't be able to destroy Thor on a molecular level. The Dark Avengers Molecule Man would have done that with a thought.
(And all of that even if we assume that Sentry's durability is below the one of trans level characters. His durability was always kinda questionable and he made a lot of it up with his healing factor. But it still easily at high herald levels, if not above.)I believe, that a mentally stable Sentry is the absolutely most powerful high trans level character in comics. There is no one, who comes even close to him in that tier. Not even Thanos.
Sentry has the upper hand, because he is so ridiculously versatile. He has all those hax abilities and is immortal. If you want to beat the Sentry, then you need to have a ton of hax abilities as well. And that above the Sentry's level.Now the question would be if the Sentry approaches skyfather levels. I don't think that he does, judging by the feats alone. Skyfathers have done more impressive stuff than the Sentry has.
Odin alone has not only made the entire Earth civilization forget something, but he has also transported them all from one planet to another. With his magic alone. And on top of that Odin's Asgardian Magic is probably not far below the power of the Norn Stones, which have caused the Sentry harm in the past. We also had Asgardian Magic enchanting an axe to a point, where it was capable of killing Celestials. If Odin wants Sentry dead, Sentry would die. So I don't think that Sentry approaches high skyfather levels. However I do think that he would put up a better fight than Thanos did against Odin.[b]New 52 Darkseid:
I haven't read the Darkseid War storyline, but from the early New 52 comics with Darkseid in them, Darkseid has done nothing to a point, where I could see him beat the Sentry. I think that the post Dark Avengers Sentry would have destroyed the entire Justice League, which Darkseid has faced far quicker.Classic Thanos:
Who is classic Thanos? The one prior to Death upgrades? If so, why would you put a weaker Thanos against Sentry? Do you expect the more recent versions of Thanos to beat the Sentry?
I personally don't. I think that Sentry has enough physical strength and durability to go toe to toe with Thanos, but also that he has more hax abilities than Thanos. Sentry has more potent and destructive molecule manipulation, a stronger healing / immortality factor and he has a far higher energy output.
In the Incursion story Thanos and his Black Order crew were going from one Earth to another and using bombs from Reed Richards (I think) to destroy those Earths. A reader had asked Tom Brevoort if Thanos couldn't simply destroy the Earths under his own power and Brevoort told him to read the comic. Thanos can't destroy the Earth under his own power. He simply can't. Thanos fans on this board don't seem to like that, but that's the harsh reality. Sentry on the other hand has the needed, destructive energy output to destroy it.Classic Fate & Classic Strange:
You can look at it both ways... Classic Fate and Classic Strange (although Classic Strange is still the current Strange, since there was never a retcon or something) had insane showings. They were fighting off truly cosmic threats. Given enough time to prepare for those.
But at the same time Sentry's story has him being an old character, who has always been around. Also as the Void. And Strange was never able to do something against the Void. Strange tried to use black magic on Sentry, but Sentry broke free and knocked Strange out, with Strange stating, that Sentry was always too powerful for that kind of magic.
So basically Classic / Current Strange was never capable of beating the Sentry / the Void, no matter how much time he had to prepare.Classic Odin:
As you can probably assume it from my paragraph above... I think that Odin would beat the Sentry. Odin has supposedly affected galaxies in his fight. Sentry hasn't. Sentry's energies went far beyond planetary at the highest from what we've seen, but galaxies are still whole another level. Odin has the needed abilities to stop the Sentry, like stopping time, all the gimmicks with the magic and so on.But here is the deal and ultimately that, what makes the Sentry so confusing... If it ever came down to a fight between Odin and Sentry, I would expect Odin to win. But if Sentry ended up winning the fight I wouldn't be surprised. If Sentry fought Galactus, I would expect Galactus to win. But if Sentry won, I wouldn't be surprised either.
Sentry has that ridiculous X-Factor, where no one knows what he truly is. Dark Avengers Molecule Man was still the Molecule Man from the old days and even if he was depowered, he still said, that he had never experienced something like Sentry's molecules. And Molecule Man has experienced multiverses. Yet nothing like the Sentry. If that's not crazy, then I don't know either. [/B]
Damn that's a good post.
Originally posted by tkitna
I'm 46. How old are you kid?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
He's probably like 15 (he acts like it)Anyhow who pays attention to Reality Warper?
He is even more extreme than Enzeru when it comes to the Sentry.
Really? How many times do you have to be told to stop before you stop?
Originally posted by Diesldude
Loki is a god (lowercase g) too right?
You are missing the point.
Jenkins said that Sentry is advanced beyond Molecule Man and Beyonder.
That means that Sentry is far more powerful than them.
He is using the word God in that sense:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god
1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
Sentry is a near-omnipotent being able to control the reality.
That's all you need to understand from that twit.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
A decent that post that probably underrates Sentry. I think he is probably MORE powerful than Odin. Full-power Sentry is not "Trans".
He is clearly above Molecule Man and Beyonder by feats.
I mean, you don't swat Molecule Man like a fly in two seconds if you aren't far more powerful than him. Molecule Man is very well trained in the use of his powers while Sentry is a rookie.
However as Sentry's power is limitless, comparing him with other abstracts beings with limitless power themselves is complicated.
He is said to have "unlimited psionic power" like the Living Tribunal and the Pre-retcon Beyonder in the OHOTMU Master Edition.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I'll answer that question for you, but I hope you don't mind reading a lot:On battle boards we always go with the most recent version of a character. And when it comes to the Sentry many readers make the mistake of not doing so. They look at stuff that has happened in the past, even though it doesn't matter anymore.
The Sentry had changed after his encounter with the Molecule Man. During that fight he went: "I have this" and then he did the impossible. He beat the Molecule Man at his own game. And that Molecule Man ripped him apart before. But Sentry reconstructed himself and defeated him. At that moment the Sentry had become truly invincible.The weakest the Sentry has ever been in the comics was during his fight against World War Hulk. Let's just assume that Incredible Hulk is a high herald strength and durability wise, when he is angry. And during World War Hulk he was far more angry. Is it crazy to assume that WW Hulk was a low trans, or maybe even a mid trans level character at that point? At least strength and durability wise.
And the Sentry at his absolutely lowest in terms of power fought that Hulk to a standstill. No one was holding back during that encounter. All of it is well documented.So you have Sentry at his weakest fighting off a low to mid trans level character. And that was prior to his "power upgrade", which he received during the Molecule Man fight, where he had figured it all out.
Speaking of the Molecule Man fight. During that fight the Sentry was not as unstable as he was during the WW Hulk arc. And with the Sentry he becomes overall more powerful the more mentally stable he is. It's like with Superman being near Kryptonite. The closer he is, the weaker he becomes.
So Sentry during the Dark Avengers storyline was above a low to mid trans level character. And the Molecule Man ripped someone like that apart like he was nothing. The Molecule Man also transformed the Adamantium in Bullseyes spine into water. So Molecule Man as well was easily above a low to mid trans level character at that point. Since they are usually not capable of destroying +high herald level opponents like that. Thanos has molecule manipulation to an extent and he wouldn't be able to destroy Thor on a molecular level. The Dark Avengers Molecule Man would have done that with a thought.
(And all of that even if we assume that Sentry's durability is below the one of trans level characters. His durability was always kinda questionable and he made a lot of it up with his healing factor. But it still easily at high herald levels, if not above.)I believe, that a mentally stable Sentry is the absolutely most powerful high trans level character in comics. There is no one, who comes even close to him in that tier. Not even Thanos.
Sentry has the upper hand, because he is so ridiculously versatile. He has all those hax abilities and is immortal. If you want to beat the Sentry, then you need to have a ton of hax abilities as well. And that above the Sentry's level.Now the question would be if the Sentry approaches skyfather levels. I don't think that he does, judging by the feats alone. Skyfathers have done more impressive stuff than the Sentry has.
Odin alone has not only made the entire Earth civilization forget something, but he has also transported them all from one planet to another. With his magic alone. And on top of that Odin's Asgardian Magic is probably not far below the power of the Norn Stones, which have caused the Sentry harm in the past. We also had Asgardian Magic enchanting an axe to a point, where it was capable of killing Celestials. If Odin wants Sentry dead, Sentry would die. So I don't think that Sentry approaches high skyfather levels. However I do think that he would put up a better fight than Thanos did against Odin.[b]New 52 Darkseid:
I haven't read the Darkseid War storyline, but from the early New 52 comics with Darkseid in them, Darkseid has done nothing to a point, where I could see him beat the Sentry. I think that the post Dark Avengers Sentry would have destroyed the entire Justice League, which Darkseid has faced far quicker.Classic Thanos:
Who is classic Thanos? The one prior to Death upgrades? If so, why would you put a weaker Thanos against Sentry? Do you expect the more recent versions of Thanos to beat the Sentry?
I personally don't. I think that Sentry has enough physical strength and durability to go toe to toe with Thanos, but also that he has more hax abilities than Thanos. Sentry has more potent and destructive molecule manipulation, a stronger healing / immortality factor and he has a far higher energy output.
In the Incursion story Thanos and his Black Order crew were going from one Earth to another and using bombs from Reed Richards (I think) to destroy those Earths. A reader had asked Tom Brevoort if Thanos couldn't simply destroy the Earths under his own power and Brevoort told him to read the comic. Thanos can't destroy the Earth under his own power. He simply can't. Thanos fans on this board don't seem to like that, but that's the harsh reality. Sentry on the other hand has the needed, destructive energy output to destroy it.Classic Fate & Classic Strange:
You can look at it both ways... Classic Fate and Classic Strange (although Classic Strange is still the current Strange, since there was never a retcon or something) had insane showings. They were fighting off truly cosmic threats. Given enough time to prepare for those.
But at the same time Sentry's story has him being an old character, who has always been around. Also as the Void. And Strange was never able to do something against the Void. Strange tried to use black magic on Sentry, but Sentry broke free and knocked Strange out, with Strange stating, that Sentry was always too powerful for that kind of magic.
So basically Classic / Current Strange was never capable of beating the Sentry / the Void, no matter how much time he had to prepare.Classic Odin:
As you can probably assume it from my paragraph above... I think that Odin would beat the Sentry. Odin has supposedly affected galaxies in his fight. Sentry hasn't. Sentry's energies went far beyond planetary at the highest from what we've seen, but galaxies are still whole another level. Odin has the needed abilities to stop the Sentry, like stopping time, all the gimmicks with the magic and so on.But here is the deal and ultimately that, what makes the Sentry so confusing... If it ever came down to a fight between Odin and Sentry, I would expect Odin to win. But if Sentry ended up winning the fight I wouldn't be surprised. If Sentry fought Galactus, I would expect Galactus to win. But if Sentry won, I wouldn't be surprised either.
Sentry has that ridiculous X-Factor, where no one knows what he truly is. Dark Avengers Molecule Man was still the Molecule Man from the old days and even if he was depowered, he still said, that he had never experienced something like Sentry's molecules. And Molecule Man has experienced multiverses. Yet nothing like the Sentry. If that's not crazy, then I don't know either. [/B]
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are missing the point.Jenkins said that Sentry is advanced beyond Molecule Man and Beyonder.
That means that Sentry is far more powerful than them.
He is using the word God in that sense:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god
1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
Sentry is a near-omnipotent being able to control the reality.
That's all you need to understand from that twit.
God <> god
True or False?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
There is no need to move the debate into semantics.
My point is relevant because you're trying to imply that Sentry is some kind of an Omnipotent God.
"god" has never been used this way. While God has been used to refer to lesser beings and supreme God, god has always been referred to common gods like ares, Loki.
That's what sentry was becoming per your scan.
Originally posted by EnzeruDCnU Darkseid is a bonafide universal+ power...
[b]New 52 Darkseid:
I haven't read the Darkseid War storyline, but from the early New 52 comics with Darkseid in them, Darkseid has done nothing to a point, where I could see him beat the Sentry. I think that the post Dark Avengers Sentry would have destroyed the entire Justice League, which Darkseid has faced far quicker. [/B]
1.) It was stated that Darkseid can, and has, destroyed/consumed universeS:
http://i.imgur.com/XAEis9O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d9hvill.jpg
2.) DCnU Anti-Monitor was absorbing "all the power" of entire universeS prior to confronting Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/OqwB1Bu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tbLToDY.jpg
3.) Despite AM having absorbed the energy of multiple universeS before fighting Darkseid, they were still roughly equal when they battled. It was only AM's possession/mastery of the ALE(which Darkseid was unaware of, mind you) that finally gave him the edge -- and that was because he used it to take control of the Black Racer/Death, and turn it against Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/G1Spd3Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1QQosdG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e9GhixX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/y76clye.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zk8Ejkb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vCsifNk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fK1X4C7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMzNxhF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RHoeAZn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qOK1j2N.jpg
4.) In the wake of Darkseid's 'death', the Parademons attacked Oa and merged his Mother Box with the Central Battery. They needed someone/thing to rule them, and the CB's "infinite" energy was the closest match to Darkseid's power that his Mother Box, with its Source-gleaned "omni-knowledge"(aka. omniscience), could locate:
http://i.imgur.com/jKN2MU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9vMoodQ.jpg
IOW, he's extremely powerful.
Originally posted by Diesldude
My point is relevant because you're trying to imply that Sentry is some kind of an Omnipotent God.
"god" has never been used this way. While God has been used to refer to lesser beings and supreme God, god has always been referred to common gods like ares, Loki.That's what sentry was becoming per your scan.
I'm trying to imply nothing.
I've showed the twitter of Sentry's creator.
Here Paul Jenkins made it clear that Sentry is advanced beyond Molecule Man and Beyonder so your point is null & void.
All of them are kinda Omnipotent. They can do everything.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm trying to imply nothing.I've showed the twitter of Sentry's creator.
Here Paul Jenkins made it clear that Sentry is advanced beyond Molecule Man and Beyonder so your point is null & void.
All of them are kinda Omnipotent. They can do everything.
So why are you spamming every thread with this scan? Honest question because I really want to know.
Originally posted by Galan007
DCnU Darkseid is a bonafide universal+ power...1.) It was stated that Darkseid can, and has, destroyed/consumed universeS:
http://i.imgur.com/XAEis9O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d9hvill.jpg2.) DCnU Anti-Monitor was absorbing "all the power" of entire universeS prior to confronting Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/OqwB1Bu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tbLToDY.jpg3.) Despite AM having absorbed the energy of multiple universeS before fighting Darkseid, they were still roughly equal when they battled. It was only AM's possession/mastery of the ALE(which Darkseid was unaware of, mind you) that finally gave him the edge -- and that was because he used it to take control of the Black Racer/Death, and turn it against Darkseid:
http://i.imgur.com/G1Spd3Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1QQosdG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e9GhixX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/y76clye.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zk8Ejkb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vCsifNk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fK1X4C7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMzNxhF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RHoeAZn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qOK1j2N.jpg4.) In the wake of Darkseid's 'death', the Parademons attacked Oa and merged his Mother Box with the Central Battery. They needed someone/thing to rule them, and the CB's "infinite" energy was the closest match to Darkseid's power that his Mother Box, with its Source-gleaned "omni-knowledge"(aka. omniscience), could locate:
http://i.imgur.com/jKN2MU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9vMoodQ.jpgIOW, he's extremely powerful.
Originally posted by Diesldude
So why are you spamming every thread with this scan? Honest question because I really want to know.
Because he confirms that Sentry is far more powerful than Molecule Man.
So it confirms that I was right one more time and that Molecule Man being weakened against Sentry is a fairytale.
I don't get why you are going off-topic with the term of god which is the less important thing in that thread.
