Your top 10/15/20

Originally posted by Selenial
That's... an awful defence. If I remember correctly, Kyp prompted the engagement by launching Corran across the room, not to mention he was pinned to a wall, not accidentally ko'ed...

Corran can't use TK - why would Durron have his shields ready for a telekinetic attack, when the person who was supposed to retaliate, can't move a rock 10 pound rock to save his life?

The K.O. analogy was simply used as a metaphor - nothing more. Point is, anyone can be thrown for a loop if they aren't actually expecting an attack of a certain magnitude.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Corran can't use TK - why would Durron have his shields ready for a telekinetic attack, when the person who was supposed to retaliate, can't move a rock 10 pound rock to save his life?

The K.O. analogy was simply used as a metaphor - nothing more. Point is, anyone can be thrown for a loop if they aren't actually expecting an attack of a certain magnitude.

Because in the context of the scenario, it's very obvious the other Jedi would attempt to restrain him? To suggest he had no idea another Jedi would respond in some way is laughable.

Can you point me to another scenario in which a blatantly inferior force user is able to hold in position a superior one so casually with them unable to escape? I don't mean being pushed, pulled or ragdolled as a surprise, I mean pinned. Just curious.

and i come back from the dead to witness this shit

Originally posted by Selenial
Because in the context of the scenario, it's very obvious the other Jedi would attempt to restrain him?
To suggest he had no idea another Jedi would respond in some way is laughable.

Yeah, from Corran Horn. Just because Corran is especially inept in ways of telekinesis, that doesn't mean he is defenseless. There is a plethora of ways he could have retaliated, without the use of TK, or without any other Jedi in the vicinity getting involved, and given Kyp's attention would logically be geared toward Horn and he wouldn't be expecting a telekinetic attack - why would he put up a powerful Force barrier tp protect against such a thing?

I mean, you're blowing a non-combative instance where the character in question, probably wasn't even expecting an attack of that nature, or magnitude, waaay out of proportion, babe.

Originally posted by Selenial
Can you point me to another scenario in which a blatantly inferior force user is able to hold in position a superior one so casually with them unable to escape? I don't mean being pushed, pulled or ragdolled as a surprise, I mean pinned. Just curious.

Kyp's passive defenses were already broken, so him getting pinned doesn't actually mean much, unless the text state Durron was actively attempting to break the hold, but to no avail - to which - no such thing was actually stated in the passage.

So your question isn't really relevant.

ventruss held kenobi and anakin in a force choke from surprise before the ship was thrown offbalance btw

Originally posted by Selenial

Can you point me to another scenario in which a blatantly inferior force user is able to hold in position a superior one so casually with them unable to escape? I don't mean being pushed, pulled or ragdolled as a surprise, I mean pinned. Just curious.

Well, like, I mean, Maul did that to Sidious in cut content. mmm

Originally posted by slayne
Force only top 10.

9. Starkiller

10. Post-suit Vader

??

Force power:

1.Luke.
2.Valkorion/Sidious.
3.Sidious/Valkorion.
4.Darth Nihilus.
5.Yoda.
6.Darth Plagueis.
7.Exar Kun/Revan.
8.Revan/Exar Kun.
9.Kyp Durron.

I'm honestly a little surprised by the composition of that list.

Because I don't actually argue my personal stances about 90% of the time, I use the logic flavor of the month specifically against the grievous offenders of PT wank.

The difference is that I don't wank eras, because that's beyond idiotic for numerous reasons.

Plagueis, Yoda and Palpatine deserve their placements, but not because of the idiocy spouted most of the time. There are much better arguments to be made for them, which have sadly gone unseen and unused.

That's an interesting approach to dealing with the forum tbh.

When you've debated Star Wars for a good fifteen years, you start to see the fallacies in that entire brand of wanking. It was stupid when Ancient Sith dominated, stupid when Revan dominated, it was stupid when Bane dominated and it's still just as fallacious now with PT wanking.

All ability to take a step back and look at how these stories actually work and the way in which fights actually tend to go down has bern dumped for this SWVF brand of logic where two titans of power can stomp/be stomped by the other because one of them is more explored than the other.

I long ago gave up on the idea that this will ever change though.

To be fair. It's pretty much impossible to find an accurate and universal way of measuring and comparing SW character from different eras when all the mediums are so completely different.

I don't know if it'd be possible to find one even if people's bias wasn't a factor.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis, Yoda and Palpatine deserve their placements, but not because of the idiocy spouted most of the time. There are much better arguments to be made for them, which have sadly gone unseen and unused.

Except you've failed repeatedly to make the arguments that actually work for them and aren't based on arbitrary scaling.

But if it makes you feel better about your life, sure. 😬

Alright dear, I only hope that one day you share with us these unseen unused gems. 🙁

Yeah, I'm honestly curious what arguments AP is referring to here that are supposedly much better than the ones that have already been made.

No doubt sourced from special gloss editions that we are unaware of. 🙁

:8

It's actually really basic common sense, especially when it comes to characters like Vader. Watching arguments for him has been sad.