Captain America and Winter Soldier vs Jaws

Originally posted by Kotor3
So punching through a submarine window is harder to do then a Sharks skin? The same Shark that was taking multiple bullets and harpoons which had absolutely no effect on it is suddenly going to have its face shatter by a punch from Capt? Jaws in part one is larger than the one in part II which was able to kill a Killer Whale. But Capt and Winter soldier can in water shatter the face of a predator that fights Killer Whales using its face?

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard on this forum.

Jaws would bite Capts hand off before he even connected.

You're starting to exaggerate. Jaws isn't bullet proof. He survived bullets and a harpoon mainly because of his size and toughness. It's not actually unheard of for sharks or killer whales to survive harpoons. Also, not all of the gunshots fired at Jaws actually hit their mark.

Now, are you saying that Jaws' skeletal structure is tougher than a submarine window?

Jaws won't be able to bite off Cap's hand if he has a shield jammed in his mouth.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're starting to exaggerate. Jaws isn't bullet proof. He survived bullets and a harpoon mainly because of his size and toughness. It's not actually unheard of for sharks or killer whales to survive harpoons. Also, not all of the gunshots fired at Jaws actually hit their mark.

Now, are you saying that Jaws' skeletal structure is tougher than a submarine window?

Jaws won't be able to bite off Cap's hand if he has a shield jammed in his mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duef4v7GuLM

There is the video of Capt attacking the small singular sub. Yes I am stating Jaws skin is tougher and stronger than the submarine glass that Capt punch through. Jaws would destroy that sub quickly.

Lets remember Jaws was hunted by a trained Shark killer and who ended up trying to run from him. There is absolutely nothing normal about Jaws. Also they killed a Shark earlier in the movie with bullets and harpoons.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I never stated that Jaws was bullet proof. I stated that the bullets and harpoons attack did nothing. What gunshots did not hit their mark? Everyone I remember seeing did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duef4v7GuLM

There is the video of Capt attacking the small singular sub. Yes I am stating Jaws skin is tougher and stronger than the submarine glass that Capt punch through. Jaws would destroy that sub quickly.

Lets remember Jaws was hunted by a trained Shark killer and who ended up trying to run from him. There is absolutely nothing normal about Jaws. Also they killed a Shark earlier in the movie with bullets and harpoons.

So what proof have you that Jaws' skeletal structure is tougher than a submarine window?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So what proof have you that Jaws' skeletal structure is tougher than a submarine window?

Wild animals give him a boner, therefore he gives them the benefit of the doubt.

It's only fair.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So what proof have you that Jaws' skeletal structure is tougher than a submarine window?

But I'll play your little game for now. Research I lookup shows military submarines go about 1600 to 2400 feet deep. I believe the deepest record is a submarine going a little over 4,000 feet deep into the ocean. But that is by today's standard. So I would estimate that during World War II they were even close to that standard.

The deepest recorded dive for a Great White Shark is also a little over 4000 feet. That's what is recorded. No one really knows how deep they can go.

So since Jaws is way above normal for a Great White Shark and the submarine window that Capt punch through was during WW II, I give the win to Jaws skin since it can take much more pressure than the submarine window Capt punch through.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Nice, you use Capt feat of punching through a Submarine window as proof that Capt could Shatter Jaws face with a punch like it is a fact and then ask me prove my point. How about you prove a submarine window is stronger than a shark's skin?

But I'll play your little game for now. Research I lookup shows military submarines go about 1600 to 2400 feet deep. I believe the deepest record is a submarine going a little over 4,000 feet deep into the ocean. But that is by today's standard. So I would estimate that during World War II they were even close to that standard.

The deepest recorded dive for a Great White Shark is also a little over 4000 feet. That's what is recorded. No one really knows how deep they can go.

So since Jaws is way above normal for a Great White Shark and the submarine window that Capt punch through was during WW II, I give the win to Jaws skin since it can take much more pressure than the submarine window Capt punch through.

The fact that you're countering my argument of Cap shattering Jaw's face with "shark's skin is tough" shows that your physics and biology is skewed.

Jaws's skin toughness has nothing to do with whether or not Cap/WS can shatter Jaws's snout with a punch. You do NOT shatter skin. If I hit a guy in the head with a baseball bat and crack his skull, I'm not cracking his skin, I'm cracking his skull.

Cap has punched through a submarine window. WS has punched through walls and even damaged pure concrete. If you want to claim that Jaws is so durable that he can survive hits from the 2, you'll have to prove that his skeletal structure is tougher than concrete or that submarine window. Because I have science on my side, and science says shark skeletons are made of cartilage and cartilage is not as tough as submarine windows or concrete.

Jaws would solo either one of these guys in the water, and frankly it isn't even that close. Can they win solo or as a team with some well placed shots? Sure, but more than likely they get a huge chunk taken out of them more times than not.

Jaws isn't soloing either one, let alone beating them as a team.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The fact that you're countering my argument of Cap shattering Jaw's face with "shark's skin is tough" shows that your physics and biology is skewed.

Jaws's skin toughness has nothing to do with whether or not Cap/WS can shatter Jaws's snout with a punch. You do NOT shatter skin. If I hit a guy in the head with a baseball bat and crack his skull, I'm not cracking his skin, I'm cracking his skull.

Cap has punched through a submarine window. WS has punched through walls and even damaged pure concrete. If you want to claim that Jaws is so durable that he can survive hits from the 2, you'll have to prove that his skeletal structure is tougher than concrete or that submarine window. Because I have science on my side, and science says shark skeletons are made of cartilage and cartilage is not as tough as submarine windows or concrete.

Two - Definition of Shatter -(straight from google) - break or cause to break suddenly and violently into pieces.
synonyms: smash, break, splinter, crack, fracture, fragment, disintegrate.

If someone was to shatter my face my skin and everything would be disfigured and would not be in place. A person' s skin can open (crack, fracture, fragment) due to the force of a hit.

Three - A sharks skin protects what you call weak cartilage. Their skin is literally made of small teeth. (That is why if you watch sharks attacks people have lost fingers got severely cut without a bite from a shark just by coming in contact with its skin.)

Four - The protective layer (Sharks skin) is more durable and powerful than the submarine window of WW II. I proven that you have proven nothing and made baseless statement.

The weak cartilage (as you say) allows the Shark to move with great agility in water. So Jaws is not only more powerful, but faster and agile in water. Do you have any sound argument besides the punch in the snout theory?

Originally posted by Kotor3
First thing you stated that Capt can shatter Jaws face. Snout (which is made to take impact) is part of the face of a Shark not their whole face. If you did not mean face then say so.

Two - Definition of Shatter -(straight from google) - break or cause to break suddenly and violently into pieces.
synonyms: smash, break, splinter, crack, fracture, fragment, disintegrate.

If someone was to shatter my face my skin and everything would be disfigured and would not be in place. A person' s skin can open (crack, fracture, fragment) due to the force of a hit.

Three - A sharks skin protects what you call weak cartilage. Their skin is literally made of small teeth. (That is why if you watch sharks attacks people have lost fingers got severely cut without a bite from a shark just by coming in contact with its skin.)

Four - The protective layer (Sharks skin) is more durable and powerful than the submarine window of WW II. I proven that you have proven nothing and made baseless statement.

The weak cartilage (as you say) allows the Shark to move with great agility in water. So Jaws is not only more powerful, but faster and agile in water. Do you have any sound argument besides the punch in the snout theory?

Oh please, stop digging your own grave. It's perfectly possible to shatter and break bone without injuring skin. You see it all the time with fractures.

Snout, face, whatever. If Jaws gets punched in that area from someone with Cap's striking feats he's done. Doesn't matter how tough his skin is, that won't stop his cartilage from breaking.

You didn't prove anything. You claimed that sharks can dive down 4000 ft and you think that automatically makes them tougher than submarines or concrete. Some squids and octopi dive even deeper than that, are they now tougher than sharks and concrete?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh please, stop digging your own grave. It's perfectly possible to shatter and break bone without injuring skin. You see it all the time with fractures.

Snout, face, whatever. If Jaws gets punched in that area from someone with Cap's striking feats he's done. Doesn't matter how tough his skin is, that won't stop his cartilage from breaking.

You didn't prove anything. You claimed that sharks can dive down 4000 ft and you think that automatically makes them tougher than submarines or concrete. Some squids and octopi dive even deeper than that, are they now tougher than sharks and concrete?

So, since you can't prove that the armored skin of the shark is less than that window of the cheap small sub you are passing off as some amazing feat your punch feat of the window is irrelevant. Jaws would destroy the sub. Please try to prove otherwise.

Jaws speed, power and mobility is superior. If Capt tries to punch his snout his arm gets bitten off. Your argument is weak. There is nothing about Capt that is superior to a Killer Whale in water yet this is what Jaws fights.

Here let me help you. Capt best bet is to use his shield to try to absorb the impact and punch Jaws in the eye or gill where WS does the same or get on top of Jaws and break his dorsal fin. That would do the most damage. If you did any research you would know that the snout is not recommended to hit at all.

The duo punches the shark to death.

somebody's losing an arm or leg before that happens tho.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You are right about one thing, there is no need to continue this discussion on which is stronger. I definitely am not going to try to educate you on sharks when you have shown zero interest in learning. You act like Cartilage is structure like bones showing your ignorance.

So, since you can't prove that the armored skin of the shark is less than that window of the cheap small sub you are passing off as some amazing feat your punch feat of the window is irrelevant. Jaws would destroy the sub. Please try to prove otherwise.

Jaws speed, power and mobility is superior. If Capt tries to punch his snout his arm gets bitten off. Your argument is weak. There is nothing about Capt that is superior to a Killer Whale in water yet this is what Jaws fights.

Here let me help you. Capt best bet is to use his shield to try to absorb the impact and punch Jaws in the eye or gill where WS does the same or get on top of Jaws and break his dorsal fin. That would do the most damage. If you did any research you would know that the snout is not recommended to hit at all.

Ok... I don't understand what you're trying to imply about cartilage. This is what a shark's skeletal system looks like and it's made out of cartilage:

https://jb004.k12.sd.us/my%20website%20info/PICS/shark_skeleton.jpg

Punch the shark in the snout or facial area, break its face in. Now what's complicated about that? Every shark expert pretty much agree that the snout is the most sensitive area on a shark. It seems like you're the one who needs to do some research.

Also, are you seriously telling me that a shark's skin is tougher than a submarine's pressurized windows? Really???

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok... I don't understand what you're trying to imply about cartilage. This is what a shark's skeletal system looks like and it's made out of cartilage:

https://jb004.k12.sd.us/my%20website%20info/PICS/shark_skeleton.jpg

Punch the shark in the snout or facial area, break its face in. Now what's complicated about that? Every shark expert pretty much agree that the snout is the most sensitive area on a shark. It seems like you're the one who needs to do some research.

Also, are you seriously telling me that a shark's skin is tougher than a submarine's pressurized windows? Really???

Here is my counter. The most advance subs of today can only go as deep as the deepest recorded dive for a Great White. That means the pressure that the window can take is a least equal to that of the pressure a Shark's skin and muscle can take. The thing is that is today, WW II subs were no where as strong. The muscle and skin or a shark is its armor. That is why the Cartilage does not break when going so deep and fighting other sea creatures which involves much contact.

Next since Jaws has the clear advantage in the water, Jaws is more than capable of moving so that Capt 's fist hit his mouth or goes into his mouth instead of hitting his snout. Since Capts does not have armor skin and can be cut, if Jaws armored skin was to bump against Capt or WS at the speed he would be moving for an attack (up to 35 mph) would clearly rip his skin and muscles apart since his skin is made of teeth.

That is my counter to your Capt wins with a punch argument.

For those who wish to read their is good info on Sharks Skeleton in this article - http://www.sharksinfo.com/skeleton.html

You will see a sentence that states "while the snout can absorb blows and impacts without breaking".

Also if you google cartilage as to whether it can break or not you will see that the resounding answer is no. Trauma and bruising but not breaking. This is due to the soft tissue and flexibility of cartilage. There many articles with in depth detail.

Those facts simply from my prospective destroys the argument that Capt with a punch can break Jaws snout as well as his protective Armour of skin surround his snout.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jaws would solo either one of these guys in the water, and frankly it isn't even that close. Can they win solo or as a team with some well placed shots? Sure, but more than likely they get a huge chunk taken out of them more times than not.

You are such a troll.

Originally posted by Kotor3
For those who wish to read their is good info on Sharks Skeleton in this article - http://www.sharksinfo.com/skeleton.html

You will see a sentence that states "while the snout can absorb blows and impacts without breaking".

Also if you google cartilage as to whether it can break or not you will see that the resounding answer is no. Trauma and bruising but not breaking. This is due to the soft tissue and flexibility of cartilage. There many articles with in depth detail.

Those facts simply from my prospective destroys the argument that Capt with a punch can break Jaws snout as well as his protective Armour of skin surround his snout.

Wow, you have such a hard on for sharks don't you? In the article it specifically states that shark cartilage is hardened to ensure that it can at least be protective. Which means it can be broken, since anything rigid enough to sustain a skeletal structure would also be rigid enough to be broken. The skeletal cartilage of a shark is not the same as the cartilage in your ear that doesn't get broken.

But even if it doesn't get broken, then the blunt trauma it will receive will still be enough to kill it.

You keep referring to how the "snout can absorb impact without breaking", that doesn't mean it can absorb unlimited impact, definitely not the kind of impact strong enough to crack concrete. Because if that's your stance then you need to back that up with facts.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Here is my counter. The most advance subs of today can only go as deep as the deepest recorded dive for a Great White. That means the pressure that the window can take is a least equal to that of the pressure a Shark's skin and muscle can take. The thing is that is today, WW II subs were no where as strong. The muscle and skin or a shark is its armor. That is why the Cartilage does not break when going so deep and fighting other sea creatures which involves much contact.

Ok so using this analogy, we can therefore say that deep sea anglers are a lot tougher than Great whites since they dive even deeper. Yes?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Wow, you have such a hard on for sharks don't you? In the article it specifically states that shark cartilage is hardened to ensure that it can at least be protective. Which means it can be broken, since anything rigid enough to sustain a skeletal structure would also be rigid enough to be broken. The skeletal cartilage of a shark is not the same as the cartilage in your ear that doesn't get broken.

But even if it doesn't get broken, then the blunt trauma it will receive will still be enough to kill it.

You keep referring to how the "snout can absorb impact without breaking", that doesn't mean it can absorb unlimited impact, definitely not the kind of impact strong enough to crack concrete. Because if that's your stance then you need to back that up with facts.

Never does the article state that the cartilage is hard as bone or loses any flexibility or durability but state that it is made (snout) to absorb impact. The hardened part is more around the skull so as to protect the eyes and brain.

Here is the piece in the article you are trying so desperately to twist so as to fit you argument:
"The jaw is used for grabbing, tearing and clamping, while the backbone is involved in every movement of the entire body mass. Therefore, these areas have calcified cartilage, which has been hardened by calcium salts. These are hard cartilaginous structures that, while resembling bone, are still lightweight.

The skull of the shark is also made of cartilage as is its rostrum (its snout or beak). However, the skull has a denser, firmer form of the substance, while the rostrum is spongy and soft. These different densities are necessary to ensure that the brain and eyes are protected in the harder shell of the skull, while the snout can absorb blows and impacts without breaking. "

I see nothing about the snout being hard. Funny how you are trying to stick to that lame argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so using this analogy, we can therefore say that deep sea anglers are a lot tougher than Great whites since they dive even deeper. Yes?