Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well it is "Sabers only".And Mace beat him didn't he? So it is possible in a Saber only scenario, especially given Anakin's like a pretty dope Jedi. Like easily the 3rd most powerful. Possibly 2nd.
Plus there's always One Off's like Anakin dominating The Son and Daughter... So let's not pretend it's not at all possible.
Mace beating him is a hotly debated subject which I won't get into because there's no need. Mace was massively amped.
I mean guys, Anakin was having trouble even perceiving Mace and Sidious. I'm not saying he'd be unable to react because of course force users have precognition but in a standard state Anakin is just outclassed.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Don't think even in that state he could challenge Sidious even in a "Sabers Only" contest.
Maybe? But honestly probably not. Sidious straight out bltized 4 Council Members which, while I know we all like to joke about, we know for a fact were comparable to someone like Kenobi given Fisto was stated to be outright faster then him only 2 years before. While Dooku's probably faster then these Council Members Anakin certainly didn't blitz him. Sidious is just on another level entirely.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Mace beating him is a hotly debated subject which I won't get into because there's no need. Mace was massively amped.I mean guys, Anakin was having trouble even perceiving Mace and Sidious. I'm not saying he'd be unable to react because of course force users have precognition but in a standard state Anakin is just outclassed.
Actually he did perceive them. They just "looked" like they were vanishing.
And btw Sidious was a blur to Mace as well, yet Mace was fighting him off.
As for the Massive Amp, the word Amp was never once mentioned in the passage. Not once. What was mentioned was redirecting Palpatine's darkness back at him. Well Djem So actually specialises in the physical act of redirecting an opponents power...
So again, Skywalker's not necessarily completely outclassed in Sabers. At least not Peak Anakin that is. And by Peak I'm not even talking Mortis Anakin.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually he did perceive them. They just "looked" like they were vanishing.And btw Sidious was a blur to Mace as well, yet Mace was fighting him off.
As for the Massive Amp, the word Amp was never once mentioned in the passage. Not once. What was mentioned was redirecting Palpatine's darkness back at him. Well Djem So actually specialises in the physical act of redirecting an opponents power...
So again, Skywalker's not necessarily completely outclassed in Sabers. At least not Peak Anakin that is. And by Peak I'm not even talking Mortis Anakin.
I didn't say he couldn't. I said he was "having trouble" doing so.
Quote? Regardless, appearing as a blur to Mace and "vanishing in and out of existence" to Anakin are two different levels of perception trouble.
Oh, you're one of those that don't believe Mace was amped. You're fine Thor, I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about people that believe Mace was amping himself off of Sidious but still believe Anakin can compete.
Originally posted by Syndicate
I didn't say he couldn't. I said he was "having trouble" doing so.Quote? Regardless, appearing as a blur to Mace and "vanishing in and out of existence" to Anakin are two different levels of perception trouble.
Unfortunately I don't have my copy of ROTS novel on me.
But he basically refers to Palpatine as the Blur of Sith or something, and this is long after he's deep into Vapaad.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh, you're one of those that don't believe Mace was amped. You're fine Thor, I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about people that believe Mace was amping himself off of Sidious but still believe Anakin can compete.
Yes a lot of Vapaad comes to our own beliefs on it as the superconducting loop is not a well defined process.
But I'm just pointing out a fact. That the words Amp, or Feed, or Drain are never once mentioned.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lmao
Form V: Shien/Djem So
Focuses on turning attacks back on opponents
Source: SW: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know
So the Canon description noted deflecting the opponents power back toward them as the primary focus of Form 5.
Then note that Skywalker was the finest Djem So user Count Dooku had ever seen.
Carry on laughing now 👆
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Unfortunately I don't have my copy of ROTS novel on me.But he basically refers to Palpatine as the Blur of Sith or something, and this is long after he's deep into Vapaad.
Yes a lot of Vapaad comes to our own beliefs on it as the superconducting loop is not a well defined process.
But I'm just pointing out a fact. That the words Amp, or Feed, or Drain are never once mentioned.
That's alright, I believe you.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYeah that's, that's not the same.
[b]Form V: Shien/Djem So
Focuses on turning attacks back on opponentsSource: SW: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know
So the Canon description noted deflecting the opponents power back toward them as the primary focus of Form 5.
Then note that Skywalker was the finest Djem So user Count Dooku had ever seen.
Carry on laughing now 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah that's, that's not the same.
Didn't say it was the same.
I'm pointing out Djem So does physically what Vapaad has been overly hyped to do metaphysically.
And it's certainly better well defined in the way that it does it. And we are talking about the numero uno Djem So user. Not like any average joe using Djem So to go up against Sidious.
Except it doesn't lol, not only are they not the same, they are not remotely the same.
Djem So works by following up blocks and parries with swift ripostes, Vaapad works by channelling the Force fury of your opponent back at them. Something Djem So cannot achieve through any means, no matter how good you are, it's an apples and oranges comparison.