Originally posted by ares834
None of that contradicts anything I've said...
It does though. You even comparing Goku and Trunks makes my wording go against what you said. That's like me saying Krillin is above everyone in Z based off him surviving a punch from Goku. Remember, base Goku was able to hang with FrieZa new transformation. Anyways, Trunks vs Goku isn't usable at all.
It doesn't at all. In fact, if anything it supports my argument as if he wants to compare his power to Black’s he wouldn’t hold back his SSJ forms a hundred-fold. And no, Krillin surviving a punch is just toon force for a joke. As for the rest, I agree. The power levels in super don’t make sense unless we conclude the two base theory is true. Which is what I (and I believe Newguy) are arguing.
The only thing Goku has to guage Trunks before their sparring was his Cell saga power. Of course Trunks got stronger, but Goku wouldn't go all out against someone who again was originally Cell saga level. For Goku hearing an opponent that gives Trunks trouble wouldn't make him go all out or use even a moderate level of power. So we can get 3 things:
Goku was holding back a good amount. Remember hes fighting someone who again is more than likely just ssj2 Buu saga level. He simply wanted to get an idea on Blacks power.
What you guys mentioned that he can turn off the Godly power which admittedly is a good justification.
Or Trunks got that strong. He did survive against multiple encounters against Black which should allow him to get stronger.
Or it's just an inconsistency.
Ares is obviously right here. We don't have absolute confirmation that Goku and Vegeta can choose to use godly ki or not, but we don't need that confirmation with the kind of inferring by the series itself.
If Goku can use godly ki just by concentrating hard enough, then he can obviously still use regular ki, just by not concentrating. That simple.