Originally posted by TheLordofMurderLoki still killed one. A human kept her as her personal pet while another one took her heart out. Sad. She's also dead.
Loki needed IV fluids and 10 units of oxygen after killing Phil...It took all his might to achieve that feat...
Way to go Loki!!!!
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Enchantress wins...
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Originally posted by FrothByte
The fact that Thor needs to take Loki seriously in order to beat him proves that Loki can indeed tangle with Thor. Yes, Thor will probably always beat Loki in a fight, but he can't simply plow through Loki.Also, Loki never properly fought Hulk. So we have no idea how easily Hulk could beat Loki if Loki was actually fighting back.
Thor said he held back when he fought Loki, so that showing isn't a very good one. Loki never demonstrated anywhere near the physical power/durability Thor did.
Originally posted by Surtur
Thor said he held back when he fought Loki, so that showing isn't a very good one. Loki never demonstrated anywhere near the physical power/durability Thor did.
While he doesn't have comparable strength feats, Loki has plenty of solid durability showings at this point. Destroyer gun, Bifrost explosion, Hulk beating, bullets to the face, Hawkeye's explosive arrow to the face etc.
Originally posted by Surtur
Thor said he held back when he fought Loki, so that showing isn't a very good one. Loki never demonstrated anywhere near the physical power/durability Thor did.
So you think Thor likes getting his head smashed through stuff and getting thrown around?
The fact that Thor needs to put his gameface on to beat Loki shows that Loki isn't that far behind. I'd put Loki somehwere in between IM and Thor.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you think Thor likes getting his head smashed through stuff and getting thrown around?The fact that Thor needs to put his gameface on to beat Loki shows that Loki isn't that far behind. I'd put Loki somehwere in between IM and Thor.
Loki doesn't have strength feats anywhere near Thor's level. Not even close, and Thor was holding back when he fought. Does he like getting his head smashed through stuff? No, but he probably(at the time) liked his brother being alive more than that.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
While he doesn't have comparable strength feats, Loki has plenty of solid durability showings at this point. Destroyer gun, Bifrost explosion, Hulk beating, bullets to the face, Hawkeye's explosive arrow to the face etc.
Never said he wasn't durable, just not durable as Thor. Or really even close. Thor took hits from Hulk and kept coming and was smiling. Loki..got owned in a few seconds and couldn't move.
These people are not comparable.
Originally posted by Surtur
Loki doesn't have strength feats anywhere near Thor's level. Not even close, and Thor was holding back when he fought. Does he like getting his head smashed through stuff? No, but he probably(at the time) liked his brother being alive more than that.Loki got owned by Hulk because he wasn't trying to fight Hulk. Not sure what this has to do with this fight anyway. Pretty sure Loki is lots stronger and more durable than Enchantress.
Never said he wasn't durable, just not durable as Thor. Or really even close. Thor took hits from Hulk and kept coming. Loki..got owned in a few seconds and couldn't move.
No, but Thor also doesn't have the durability feats of Loki. A fight doesn't boil down to strength alone. No one's saying that Loki can beat Thor in a fight. What I'm saying is that Loki is close enough to Thor to make Thor work for a victory. He can't easily just knock out Loki in a few hits, otherwise that's what he would have done.
Actually, Thor has never been able to knock out Loki from what I recall.
Because characters always use their powers intelligently? Thor is hilariously stronger than Loki is. You'd need more than "He fought a Thor who was holding back" to compare them. Just like Captain America's fight with Loki isn't a good feat for Cap because Loki wanted to be captured.
I also know Thor doesn't have the durability feats of Loki, he has better durability feats. Such as..being able to be hit by Hulk and not be completely taken out of the fight in seconds. That alone puts him above Loki.
Comparing Thor's fight with Hulk, and Loki's "fight" with Hulk, is not really fair IMO. Thor actively engaged Hulk, and was never in a position where Hulk ragdolled him in a similar manner to Loki. Loki actually pretty much tanks the first hit Hulk gives him. Loki is on that platform outside Stark Tower, after just taking Hawkeye's arrow to the face seconds earlier, when Hulk comes flying and smashes into him with all his bodyweight, fists first, sending Loki flying into the opposite wall inside the tower, even cratering the stone somewhat on impact. He immediately gets back on his feet, and then proceeds to do his rant, leaving himself open to getting slammed around.
I mean you say Loki isn't "even close" to being as durable as Thor. Does that mean you believe Thor could fully tank getting ragdolled in the exact same manner Loki was?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Comparing Thor's fight with Hulk, and Loki's "fight" with Hulk, is not really fair IMO. Thor actively engaged Hulk, and was never in a position where Hulk ragdolled him in a similar manner to Loki. Loki actually pretty much tanks the first hit Hulk gives him. Loki is on that platform outside Stark Tower, after just taking Hawkeye's arrow to the face seconds earlier, when Hulk comes flying and smashes into him with all his bodyweight, fists first, sending Loki flying into the opposite wall inside the tower, even cratering the stone somewhat on impact. He immediately gets back on his feet, and then proceeds to do his rant, leaving himself open to getting slammed around.
Well exactly, Loki got taken out quite easily. Thor didn't. I never said it wasn't an overall good showing of durability for Loki, just the fact he survived is impressive. But it doesn't show him as particularly close to Thor.
I mean you say Loki isn't "even close" to being as durable as Thor. Does that mean you believe Thor could fully tank getting ragdolled in the exact same manner Loki was?
I don't know if he could fully tank it, but I doubt he'd be out of the fight due to it like Loki was. Hulk hitting Thor drew a bit of blood and made him smile. I'm not sure why you would think Hulk smashing Thor into the floor a few times would of done significantly more than that? It's not like Hulk battered Loki about hundreds of times. He got slammed into the ground a few times at best.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well exactly, Loki got taken out quite easily. Thor didn't.
That's more to do with combat skill and the fact that Thor was actively fighting Hulk. Loki was just standing there, throwing a tantrum.
Originally posted by Surtur
I never said it wasn't an overall good showing of durability for Loki, just the fact he survived is impressive. But it doesn't show him as particularly close to Thor.I don't know if he could fully tank it, but I doubt he'd be out of the fight due to it like Loki was. Hulk hitting Thor drew a bit of blood and made him smile. I'm not sure why you would think Hulk smashing Thor into the floor a few times would of done significantly more than that? It's not like Hulk battered Loki about hundreds of times. He got slammed into the ground a few times at best.
He slammed him 5 times IIRC, and this was after the initial hit (which did not do any visible damage, but that's 6 hits total regardless), and that was after an exploding arrow to the face. And Hulk slammed him hard enough to leave Loki sized craters in Tony's floors. How many times did he even connect Thor properly during their fight? And with crater smashing force? I can see Thor possibly handling it better, but I don't see how those showings suggest some massive durability gap between the two.