Darth Sion vs Boba Fett

Sure, but because of the nexus wank it makes Novel Vitiate seem Revan Reborn tier or below when off it. Which is what's unacceptable. 🙂

Also, me, Sel, and Ant just made a new brigade merging the KOTOR's with SWTOR. 🙂

Well, no, because it is a measure of Vitiate's own power, he is clearly not reliant on the nexus, by any means of significance. Can we stop pretending Vitiate is relevant to Valkorion?

You created a new brigade including KotOR era characters and you didn't include me or Nova?

Yep. Sel has accepted Valk ~ DE Sidious, has Revan slightly below Yoda, and Traya above Dooku.

As if all of those things weren't already observed by myself.

Sel also has Meetra above Jaina Solo tbh. 🙂

The only placement that matters is Nyriss > Bane.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm not sure on this one to be honest, Dromund Kaas is a lot more powerful than most people give it credit for. The place has two confirmed dark side nexus sites: The Dark Citadel and the Dark Temple. This is besides the fact Dromund Kaas was already a place of dark side power, before Emperor Vitiate turned up and started immense dark side experiments, turning the ionosphere into a permanent dark side miasma and corrupting the flora and fauna of the entire planet.

Don't forget that Revan admits that his ability to see the future is clouded by the dark side of the Force, so even he was hindered to some degree by Dromund Kaas.

Over the next 3,700 years that power waned over time due to inactivity and the Dark temple became a ruin, until the Dark Side Prophets constructed a new Dark Force Temple on the remains. The place clearly wasn't as powerful as it was in the Old Republic era. Even despite that fact, it rendered Mara Jade incapable of using anything but dark side powers, corrupted Kyle Katarn into a dark sider with pretty crazy powers and decades later, Ben couldn't feel the Force at all, Jaina and Luke's reflexes were described as being bogged down by 'mental sewage' exuding from the Dark Force Temple which was still way, way off.

The biggest difference of course being the presence of numerous dark council members, countless other Sith and the Emperor himself, who can hinder Jedi with his mere presence in the Force.

Moreover, we have no idea if the Exile did use enlightenment on Malachor V, only that she was mentally, spiritually and physically hindered considerably the entire time. That was described as the worst event of her life, putting just the surface of Malachor V above Korriban, Darth Nihilus and the Ravager, and even the mental anguish of the MSG detonation that would've killed her if she hadn't cut herself off from the Force. That isn't considering how much worse the effects would've been the closer she got to the massive geyser of dark side energy in the Trayus Core.

I'm assuming she managed Enlightenment solely because of her performance there, and because it'd be pretty damn stupid for her to learn it on Dantooine and then not be able to use it for the biggest fight of her life. So she learnt the game's ultimate LS power just so she could use it when running through the Ravager?

For the record, the nexus of the Jedi Temple ruins on Coruscant was powerful enough for Nyax to throw around capital ships apparently, which would mean the nexus of Malachor V would be utterly insane since there were even more deaths there and they occurred in simultaneity.

But she learns it from a holocron that they found in the Dantooine archives, Nova, you just found that out yourself. In vanilla she learns it after the council meeting.

Which is still around that time. It still makes no sense that she learned the biggest LS power just to use it for the Ravager and not on Malachor V.

Why are we talking about game mechanics? She was hindered on Malachor V and is highly unlikely to be capable of achieving a tranquil state of mind when she is stated to be mentally enduring the anguish of Jedi spirits echoing throughout the planet.

It's not game mechanics. The idea is that Enlightenment is supposed to a critical, "ultimate" sort of power for LS, Crush for DS.

I shouldn't be complaining about this, though. If she beat the entire Academy without Enlightenment, that's only more impressive for her 🙂

It is the greatest technique she learns, true, but that in reality is all it is. Malachor V was meant to be her hardest and most difficult test under the worst circumstances, her inability to go in at full strength was the point. A point Traya even makes with the Exile's rescuing of her companions.

The point is that she prevails under adverse conditions. Enlightenment possibly playing a role in her triumph.

With her Bonds with her companions, Enlightenment's entirely possible and might've been what protected her (to an extent) against the harshness of the world.

If she does it without Enlightenment, then the feat's just even better.

The point being, Meetra couldn't do so on Dromund Kaas, her inability is even more likely on Malachor V.

Bobas best shot is hitting Sion with the gun that destroys molecular bonds and causing disintegration.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The point being, Meetra couldn't do so on Dromund Kaas, her inability is even more likely on Malachor V.

That's just down to authorial stupidity. The same author ignores so many of Meetra's strengths.

Nah, there is a part of the novel where Meetra tries to enter an enlightened state but the dark side was making it too difficult to achieve a tranquil state of mind. Her inabilities on Dromund Kaas are consistent with other Jedi on a less potent Dromund Kaas.

I know that. Enlightenment is supposed to be an inner thing - and after braving Malachor V, I don't imagine DK would've made it so hard for her to find Enlightenment. This is the same author who never once mentioned Surik's aptitude for making Force Bonds with others or using Sever Force.

I understand your point, I pioneered ranting about Drew's self-admitted inadequate research into the lore. But no amount of complaining and head canon will do the characters any favor on here or on CV. I'm trying to connect very distant dots to have a consistent picture of the character, give me a break.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He lost a fight with a 14 year old, but he's an infallible badass?

Nameless Jedi, of course.