Jessica Jones vs. Nite Owl

Originally posted by FrothByte
NO doesn't need to hit as hard as Cage, he just needs to hit as hard as those security guards then hit her multiple times to take her down.

Jessica has never been shown to be impervious to hits that hurt normal humans.

Like I said in my previous post, JJ has way way more low end showings than she has high end showings. In fact she only has 1 high end showing (Cage fight) and one questionable showing (truck hit). The rest are low end showings. Don't know about you but I'd prefer to take the average.

You need to rewatch that fight. None of their actual hits did anything. Jessica only went down when one of them dived her legs out from under her, from behind, and then a bunch of them kept repeatedly tazing her while she was on the ground, while more thugs rescued Kilgrave. So no, she did not simply go down to a bunch of human hits. And I don't recall Nite Owl packing a bunch of electric batons.

And she was also casually manhandling those guys when she and Luke fought that group in the bar. And in a later episode, when they are looking for that one other kid who had to do with Luke's wife's death, she also easily manhandles and overpowers a bunch of men. And I don't see how the truck hit is questionable. She walked away from the accident, and while she was initially stunned from the impact, the only actual damage she took was some rib fractures.

And what are all these low ends? So far, you've mentioned two. And both were plot-related. And one of them, quite frankly, you don't even seem to remember correctly.

He's actively ignoring the fact that whenever Jess looked bad, it was because in the next few seconds, she'd have Kilgrave dead and done. And he had to survive till the last episode so PIS was necessary for him to escape.

Just like how Nite Owl apparently had the slowest/shittiest aim ever, because if he didn't, he'd have sliced Ozy in half with that laser and the movie would have immediately ended.

I just want to know what all those low ends are. Honestly, I am curious. Because the only relevant "low end" here that has been mentioned is the 2x4, and that was directly related to the plot. Because the fact that multiple guys had to continuously shock Jessica just to keep her off her feet, during the other showing, actually hurts the argument for Nite Owl winning.

Jessica was holding back maybe because of killing Cage's wife but she is clearly strong enough to handle normal people even manhandled them. Cage punched or threw her across a huge room but she showed some decent speed catching up with the guy in a Aston Martin.

Originally posted by golem370
she showed some decent speed catching up with the guy in a Aston Martin.

Well, it was mentioned during a conversation with Simpson, IIRC, that she can run a mile in under 4 minutes.

Not sure how that would help here as normal folks have no problem tagging Jessica, even if they get tossed around like they did in the bar fight.

Though looking at the Luke Cafe trailer/teaser again I'm not sure if his fight with Jessica is a high for her or a low for him: because the stuff he did in both was more empressive than anything he did in JJ save for tanking the bar explosion.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Not sure how that would help here as normal folks have no problem tagging Jessica, even if they get tossed around like they did in the bar fight.

The only regular people who had a really "easy" time of tagging her were people like Simpson, who is a trained combatant, and Luke, who could simply smash through her guard. Plus, she was injured when fighting Simpson, and he was hopped up on his Nuke drugs. There are a bunch of showings in fights where she actually quite easily dodges and catches blows from regular human opponents, including the one with the guys with the stun batons. For example, at one point she catches the arm of one of the people trying to taz her, and shocks him with his own baton. In that other fight I mentioned, where she and Luke were looking for that kid, she also easily avoids the one guy taking swings at her with a pipe. She does get tagged sometimes, but it's not like she gets hit tons of times each fight. Often when people do tag her, it's attacking from behind.

And it's not like the caliber of opponent Nite Owl actually looked good against was anything special. He managed to beat up some street and prison thugs.

And merely broke bones using a lot of effort, while Jones casually slings people around and holds back, as even a quick straight punch at full force is enough to instantly kill a person and send them flying.

That is another thing to consider. Nite Owl was going for a lot of crippling blows in his fights, genuinely trying to hurt/main the people he was going up against. Jessica often made a point of restraining herself, so as not to accidentally seriously injure/kill anyone. Again, an example is the showing with the guys with batons. She was mostly grabbing and tossing them around, while trying to get through to them, "You're being controlled, assholes", but never made any attempts to seriously hurt any of them.

She held back a lot, because the people she tended to fight had been Kilgrave'd, so weren't responsible for their actions. And considering the last regular person she gave a full force punch to died, she'd more than likely try to avoid another situation like that. She won't be holding back here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The only regular people who had a really "easy" time of tagging her were people like Simpson, who is a trained combatant, and Luke, who could simply smash through her guard. Plus, she was injured when fighting Simpson, and he was hopped up on his Nuke drugs. There are a bunch of showings in fights where she actually quite easily dodges and catches blows from regular human opponents, including the one with the guys with the stun batons. For example, at one point she catches the arm of one of the people trying to taz her, and shocks him with his own baton. In that other fight I mentioned, where she and Luke were looking for that kid, she also easily avoids the one guy taking swings at her with a pipe. She does get tagged sometimes, but it's not like she gets hit tons of times each fight. Often when people do tag her, it's attacking from behind.

That is not to say NO wins as my stance has always been that Jessica only needs to connect one solid hit to win this match.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The point I was trying to make by that is while it is an impressive bit of information to know about Jessica, the feat itself is still within the realm of human capabilities: especially compared to something like Steve running about

No human female has ever run a sub 4 minute mile in RL. Best time is 4:12 for a woman.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No human female has ever run a sub 4 minute mile in RL. Best time is 4:12 for a woman.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
My mistake I had saw a run time for 3:43 and thought it was for females.

It does make me wonder what she could do if she really tried to get into shape, and stopped drinking so much. 😆

If she practiced hard enough, she could actually fly.

Originally posted by KingD19
If she practiced hard enough, she could actually fly.

She seems reluctant to try to develop that ability. But I think it's kind of a homage to the comics, when her flight abilities kind of went down the toilet after being out of practice for a long time (that, or they didn't have the budget to make the flying look good). Though the ability has improved again more recently, comics-wise.

Like you would walk up to her and call an over weight sloppy drunk, who sleeps around with the woman she murdered husband.

Originally posted by golem370
Like you would walk up to her and call an over weight sloppy drunk, who sleeps around with the woman she murdered husband.

Anyone who thinks she is overweight needs glasses. The rest is true though. 😆

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It does make me wonder what she could do if she really tried to get into shape, and stopped drinking so much. 😆

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You need to rewatch that fight. None of their actual hits did anything. Jessica only went down when one of them dived her legs out from under her, from behind, and then a bunch of them kept repeatedly tazing her while she was on the ground, while more thugs rescued Kilgrave. So no, she did not simply go down to a bunch of human hits. And I don't recall Nite Owl packing a bunch of electric batons.

And she was also casually manhandling those guys when she and Luke fought that group in the bar. And in a later episode, when they are looking for that one other kid who had to do with Luke's wife's death, she also easily manhandles and overpowers a bunch of men. And I don't see how the truck hit is questionable. She walked away from the accident, and while she was initially stunned from the impact, the only actual damage she took was some rib fractures.

And what are all these low ends? So far, you've mentioned two. And both were plot-related. And one of them, quite frankly, you don't even seem to remember correctly.

Her getting hit by the truck messed her up bad. It would have killed a normal person, but let's not pretend that she simply walked away from it.

Anyway, I'm going to do the fair thing here and rewatch that fight with the security guards. I'll reply to your points then.

Except she did walk away. Yes, she was battered and dazed, but she left under her own power, and the only lasting injuries she had were the ribs. So only fracturing some ribs from an impact you yourself admitted would kill a regular person is hardly a "questionable" showing IMO. In fact, based on what we visibly get shown, she wasn't even on the ground for a full minute (though I admit that is not always a solid time indicator). And when someone said an ambulance should be called, her response was, "Back off, I'm fine", before walking off.

And I did rewatch that fight, just to make sure of things. It's about 2/3 of the way into episode 5. None of those guys actually hit or kick her at all. They used the batons on her the entire time. And only managed to tag her twice (which she pretty much ignored) before the cheap shot from behind that took her down. It was only when three of them were repeatedly tazing her at the same time that it had any notable effect.