Death Sentry vs Dr Strange & Flash

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why do you think kinetic energy absorption would be enough to defeat someone like Death Sentry?

Originally posted by krisblaze
a) He can still move himself using TK

Originally posted by krisblaze
b) He is fueled by a celestial power-source

Originally posted by krisblaze
c) There is no reason to assume that one energy manipulator instantly wins over another.

Originally posted by Cogito
Yeah, there's no reason to think he can do that and fight at the same level he could without being immobilized.

Why? Mobility isn't a big part of his fighting strategy. He doesn't need to be mobile to use psionics or energy manipulation.

Originally posted by Cogito
So is Flash.

Originally posted by Cogito
There's no reason to assume that it wouldn't work. The default assumption here is that since Flash has done it many times before, to a variety of people and objects, and since Sentry has never resisted such a thing before, we must assume it would work.

There is reason to assume that. The Sentry could resist Molecule Man's manipulation in Dark Avengers.

He didn't resist the manipulation. Owen exploded him three times and he reformed.

Originally posted by Cogito
Perhaps he could still manage to struggle some, but he's handicapped at that point to where he would be totally incapable of competing.

"I immobilized him. Permanently. He's still conscious. He still hears and thinks in real time. But he's trapped for eternity in a frozen body."

Sentry has limitless speed which let 0% of chance for him to be immobilized.

Flash can only speed steal the things linked to the Speed Force and Sentry isn't so that let to Flash again 0 % of chance speed stealing him.

Sentry butchers Strange and Flash so bad that's not even funny.

Originally posted by krisblaze

There is reason to assume that. The Sentry could resist Molecule Man's manipulation in Dark Avengers.

True.

Owen couldn't affect him after his third resurrection because Sentry understood that he can manipulate the reality like Owen.

Sentry is in a totally different tier than Owen and that's why Owen wasn't capable to affect him anymore.

Sentry was just stopping Owen cold to use his powers on him.

"How are you doing this to me ! I control the molecules ! I do !"

Sentry is so powerful that Owen can't do anything to him anymore.

Like that:

And that:

Once again, what could have been a rational Sentry thread begins to go full retard.

I know where this ends. I'm out.

Originally posted by Cogito
Once again, what could have been a rational Sentry thread begins to go full retard.

I know where this ends. I'm out.

I'd still like to know how Flash would put down the Sentry.

Mobility isn't something the Sentry relies on to fight. Aside from bullrushing WWH and Thor most of his prominent fights have been carried out from a stationary position.

He can use his powers more or less regardless of his physical state, and we know that he can reform at the very least 3-4 times without suffering any kind of detrimental effect.

The only way would be BFR. Speed steal isn't necessary, but may help the BFR process.

Originally posted by Cogito
Once again, what could have been a rational Sentry thread begins to go full retard.

I know where this ends. I'm out.

There is nothing reasonable in putting Sentry against characters that he would squish like ants and complaining just after.

Originally posted by Cogito
The only way would be BFR. Speed steal isn't necessary, but may help the BFR process.

I actually think they could harm his mind enough through the use of spells.

Maybe separate the death seed from him?

I just don't put much faith in speedforce dump or speed steal.

Speed force dumping is the ultimate insta win, can sentry recover?

Originally posted by tkitna
Tell me exactly what the Flash is going to accomplish by stealing DSentry's speed? He has no way of putting him down. Flash's best bet is to use his speed and run away. He is basically meaningless in this battle. A BFR from Strange is their only hope.

Also, what are these usual stips you speak of?

Meaningless?

He lends speed to Strange. Magic spells at the speed of light, stacking on top of each other.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meaningless?

He lends speed to Strange. Magic spells at the speed of light, stacking on top of each other.

So Strange is going to be able to think faster due to the Flash? This is the same argument we just had. Stealing Sentrys mobility means nothing. He doesnt need to move to win this fight, thus leaving Flash virtually useless here. I've always said that it would take somebody like Strange or somebody mystical to MAYBE take out the Sentry at this point, but they better make it a good one. A single gesture or thought more than likely takes out both of them to be honest.

Someone said bfr. Hasnt sentry countered bfr before?

Flash and Syrange with Prep could beat a lot of people. This isnt that big of a deal compared to stuff Strange has akready done.

Originally posted by tkitna
So Strange is going to be able to think faster due to the Flash? This is the same argument we just had. Stealing Sentrys mobility means nothing. He doesnt need to move to win this fight, thus leaving Flash virtually useless here. I've always said that it would take somebody like Strange or somebody mystical to MAYBE take out the Sentry at this point, but they better make it a good one. A single gesture or thought more than likely takes out both of them to be honest.

Pretty much.

Flash has lent speed to the JLA before. Take Strange's reaction feats...and now imagine he has been sped up. Within a nanosecond (or whatever), he could run through every single spell he knows of, and repeat them over and over. Spells, hand gestures, thoughts...at the speed of a Flash.

Essentially, Strange now has prep. And a LOT of it.

Strange's spells rely on external forces.

He's not firing off a million spells a second when they require him to channel energy from the outside.

Although I do believe that the reaction time boost is the key to success here.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Strange's spells rely on external forces.

He's not firing off a million spells a second when they require him to channel energy from the outside.

Although I do believe that the reaction time boost is the key to success here.

Channeling....from sources where the laws of physics don't apply. By that I mean, a second or minute of our time doesn't equal a second or minute to the Vishanti, for example.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Channeling....from sources where the laws of physics don't apply. By that I mean, a second or minute of our time doesn't equal a second or minute to the Vishanti, for example.

Fair enough. I suppose you could argue that channeling is because of Strange and not the external forces.

Yeah. Just spit balling, to be honest.