Doesn't Wonder Woman require crossing her bracelets for the force field? She certainly is unable to here.
I mean I could be wrong, but I thought her getting that force field upgrade came after 2000, and carter's scan comes from WONDER WOMAN #99, which is from 1995, and the black hole instance referenced(and that I showed) is from WONDER WOMAN #77, which came out in 1993.
Plus, why is carter making such a big deal out of it? The black hole's pull isn't even strong enough to rip out the "No Loitering" sing that Diana lassoed to anchor herself and them not get sucked in. And we know how important collateral damage is to carter.
Originally posted by carver9
Same version of Hulk was throwing punches so powerful that Reed himself thought the world was going to end. The shockwaves from said punches was pushing the hero's back...hell, it was sending some flying.This version of Hulk also walked through an uppercut from Onslaught (a weaker version of Onslaught dropped Juggernaut in a single blow).
Also, by your own argument, skill won't compensate for a strength advantage many times over.
Originally posted by h1a8
Skill can't overcome someone who is many times stronger than you. You simply wouldn't be able to affect them well enough.
And--
Originally posted by Delta1938
--even if Wonder Woman was more skilled, by your own argument it will be irrelevant.
Originally posted by Delta1938She fights FAR FASTER than Orion. She casually blocks multiple beams of energy. So basically you are using one showing of Orion to represent his speed in this forum?
Show her fighting at super speed like Orion has. Nope, she's not more skilled. Bracelets have failed against Amazo and IIRC Ultraman. Orion wins. Provide scans or concede defeat.
Her bracelets have never been broken in canon as far as I know. She has deflected the OE which has greater feats than the AF. She deflected the power of an entire pantheon.
She has shown great skill in MA billions of times. From pressure points to agility, to counter attack, to combos, to finesse techniques, etc. Post feats of Orion showing comparable skill.
Basically, please provide proof that Orion is faster, more skilled, and that her bracelets can't block the AF. Cause I'm thinking of reporting you for trolling.
Originally posted by Delta1938Orion is not many times stronger than her. She can easily hurt him just like she has hurt Superman many times over.
Also, by your own argument, skill won't compensate for a strength advantage many times over.And--
--even if Wonder Woman was more skilled, by your own argument it will be irrelevant.
You think that Orion is so much stronger that Diana can't affect Orion with her blows? Please answer yes
Originally posted by h1a8
She fights FAR FASTER than Orion. She casually blocks multiple beams of energy. So basically you are using one showing of Orion to represent his speed in this forum?Her bracelets have never been broken in canon as far as I know. She has deflected the OE which has greater feats than the AF. She deflected the power of an entire pantheon.
She has shown great skill in MA billions of times. From pressure points to agility, to counter attack, to combos, to finesse techniques, etc. Post feats of Orion showing comparable skill.
Basically, please provide proof that Orion is faster, more skilled, and that her bracelets can't block the AF. Cause I'm thinking of reporting you for trolling.
You keep saying it, but don't post scans for it. Stop your bitchass excuse of "common knowledge" for never backing your case. Deal with it. Don't cry that I'm using "one showing" when you can't even show a legitimate combat super speed feat for Wonder Woman, just "BLOCKING!!" Orion has about a 5th of her appearances going from what I can tell, so it's pretty sad that for how much you strap-on ride her combat speed, you can't actually show her fighting at super speed like Orion has.
They don't need to be. Despite your insistence she'll never be hit, she's not unhitable and has even been one-shot despite blocking attacks. You can't cry she performs at her best, because you don't give the same to Orion. Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining "you're using one example!!" under the circumstances.
You show her skill examples. Stop using "common knowledge" as a crutch. I already showed Orion fighting Darkseid(who is much stronger than Orion and showed good skill himself) and using skill to compensate. Why is it you make demands for shit that's already been posted, while failing to post any scans of your own, hypocritical dunderhead?
Report me if you wish, but you're quite the hypocrite. I'm the only one between us who has posted evidence whatsoever, you keep ignoring it and still demand scans while justifying you not giving scans, yet you say I'M the troll. You're either immensely dense and hypocritical or you're doing some epic meta level trolling here.
Originally posted by h1a8
Orion is not many times stronger than her. She can easily hurt him just like she has hurt Superman many times over.You think that Orion is so much stronger that Diana can't affect Orion with her blows? Please answer yes
He's not because you say so? If you think that someone can't hurt someone way stronger than them in comics, you've utterly proven you've never actually read a comic in your life. Check and mate, troll.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You keep saying it, but don't post scans for it. Stop your bitchass excuse of "common knowledge" for never backing your case. Deal with it. Don't cry that I'm using "one showing" when you can't even show a legitimate combat super speed feat for Wonder Woman, just "BLOCKING!!" Orion has about a 5th of her appearances going from what I can tell, so it's pretty sad that for how much you strap-on ride her combat speed, you can't actually show her fighting at super speed like Orion has.They don't need to be. Despite your insistence she'll never be hit, she's not unhitable and has even been one-shot despite blocking attacks. You can't cry she performs at her best, because you don't give the same to Orion. Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining "you're using one example!!" under the circumstances.
You show her skill examples. Stop using "common knowledge" as a crutch. I already showed Orion fighting Darkseid(who is much stronger than Orion and showed good skill himself) and using skill to compensate. Why is it you make demands for shit that's already been posted, while failing to post any scans of your own, hypocritical dunderhead?
Report me if you wish, but you're quite the hypocrite. I'm the only one between us who has posted evidence whatsoever, you keep ignoring it and still demand scans while justifying you not giving scans, yet you say [b]I'M
the troll. You're either immensely dense and hypocritical or you're doing some epic meta level trolling here.He's not because you say so? If you think that someone can't hurt someone way stronger than them in comics, you've utterly proven you've never actually read a comic in your life. Check and mate, troll. [/B]
WW is a well known comic book character. If you really need to see speed feats from her just to know she has grade A level fighting speed then you shouldn't be posting who wins in this thread as you don't have basic knowledge on the characters. Outside of the flashes, she is one the fastest fighters in d.c. One of her main powers obtained from the gods is speed. She's a female Shazam basically.
Orion is not faster than light. If DIana has (many times) blocked and deflected multiple beams of energy then she easily has the speed and reflexes to block and parry Orion. Diana has casually blocked and parried Superman (the guy who is fast as phuck).
I didn't imply you can't use 1 showing by Orion (which most posters and even mods would disagree with you on). That's why I ASKED. I could simply and easily give you a speed showing that's faster than Orion single feat. I can give you a single striking feat, a single durability feat, etc. I'm not sure you want to play that game cause Orion would be spite stomped then.
That's why you are using double standards and using times WW was hit, koed, etc instead of her high showings.
So if you are using a single showing for Orion's speed then it's only fair I can do do with WW.
Do you want to play that way?
Originally posted by cdtmDid you know that WW kept up with Superman, who's>>>>>>>>>>>lightray speed wise. She lassoed zoom, who is >>>>>>>>>lightray. She has outraced and then blocked multiple beams of light = > lightray at his best.
You do know Orion kept up with, and defeated Lightray, who's >>>>> Wonder Woman speed wise.
Concessions accepted H1. Also, the only time I've seen Superman actually clearly use speed against Wonder Woman, he was embarrassing her. Saying "she kept up with him" is a circular argument, unless there's a fight I've missed. Which of course you'd never post since you don't read comics. Fail troll is fail.
