Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
As opposed to the detailed arguments in the team's favor? 😂
The team is sporting a duelist more skilled than Malak, and a force user more powerful than Bastila in combative force powers. So yeah.
Malak defeating Revan on the Leviathan whilst simultaneously holding Carth/Bastila in stasis, then putting Revan in stasis for 20 seconds, only to grow more and more powerful during his time on the Star Forge
He put them in stasis while gesturing when their guards aren't up. Count me unimpressed, and secondly how is he going to do that when Zallow will be on his ass in sabers. This is the same Zallow who could blitz the Sith Empire's greatest warriors, hold off Malgus's superior strength, and who scaling is more skilled than Darach, Satele Shan, Vindican, and scores of Jedi Malgus slaughtered throughout his decades in the war. Malak has no feats to suggest he could place on in stasis while simultaneously dueling the other.
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coupled with the fact that Zallow and Darach would be weakened, and even further complicated by the Jedi juice boxes Malak gets to snack on, illustrates a pretty obvious outcome to this thread.
Nowhere in my OP did I state Malak had the Jedi's strength to draw on, and secondly lesser skilled duelists like Ben Skywalker could blitz Sith while on a nexus while hindered. Unless this amp is qualitatively hindering them to the point of them being ****ed, I'm not seeing how it'd **** them all that much.
And also, Revan was already beating him at the Leviathan. He runs away from you and shuts the doors behind. You literally have to chase him. So all his bravado and [over]confidence means nothing, along with Vandar's quotes.
Zallow can go against a Darth Malgus who already has quite a few feats under his belt and fight evenly for a while. And Darach was able to kill Vindican while holding off Malgus, and he only managed to kill Darach whilst enraged. They can take Malak.
Originally posted by Petrus
And also, Revan was already beating him at the Leviathan. He runs away from you and shuts the doors behind. You literally have to chase him. So all his bravado and [over]confidence means nothing, along with Vandar's quotes.
Malak relocating isn't indication of him losing, especially when he's telekinetically dominating Revan while doing it.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
How good is mid-game Revan?
He's the most powerful Jedi of the Order, slaughtered a compound of Sith on Manaan, defeated the most powerful Dark Jedi of the Empire's thousands, etc.
Directly after his loss to Malak, he went to Korriban and shortly thereafter killed "hundreds of Sith," along with the two Headmasters and two terentatek.
Originally posted by Petrus
When did he telekinetically dominate Revan with defenses actually up?
It's not like he did it while Revan was unprepared. They were fighting and Malak used it.
That's a textbook example of superiority, especially since it happened twice.
Hell, Bastila Shan even states Revan is no match for Malak directly before the fight:
"The power of the Dark Lord is strong enough to destroy any of us... even you. It would be suicide to face Malak here."
Originally posted by Petrus
Malak literally running away from you isn't an indication of his supposed superiority at all. He put Revan in stasis to get away from him. He might've been equal or a bit superior in terms of Force power, but in a straight up duel, he wasn't winning.
"The power of the Dark Lord is strong enough to destroy any of us... even you. It would be suicide to face Malak here."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's blatantly lying when you say he wasn't the vast superior in the Force. Revan was completely helpless in both the whirlwind and stasis instances. Hell, he was incapacitated in stasis for [b]twenty seven seconds. Even after suffering a direct lightsaber attack to the chest via a lightsaber throw, it still remained. Only once he fully engaged himself in combat with Bastila Shan was Revan finally able to break free. That is not indication of them being remotely close in the Force. That's direct proof Malak is significantly more powerful, which is stated by Bastila Shan directly before the fight anyway, so I have no clue why you're disputing it. If Revan was even comparably powerful, he would have broke free in just a few seconds - not have to wait indefinitely until Bastila Shan shows up and begins to fight Revan's foe. In regards to "Malak running," he could have clearly killed Revan in both the whirlwind or stasis instances. However, he opted not to. This is because while Revan was fighting to kill Malak, Malak wanted Revan alive so he could place him in those Star Forge chambers and draw on his power, as Malak later tells Revan in their final fight. Also, the Prima Guide states Malak doesn't run when he's on the losing end of the stick, but rather relocates when he has inflicted enough damage on Revan. Again:"The power of the Dark Lord is strong enough to destroy any of us... even you. It would be suicide to face Malak here." [/B]
Ah, the Prima Guide quote clears it up, then. I was always under the impression that Malak was running away from you. It doesn't make much sense though, considering after the Leviathan you only have one more planet to go and then you go to Lehon, if I'm not mistaken. So Revan became drastically more powerful during such a short period of time?
Bastila's quote means shit, though. She stated the same thing when you face her on Lehon, and Malak states it again when you face off against him at the Star Forge. Either way, I said he might be Revan's superior in terms of Force power, but in terms of lightsaber combat, nothing suggests Malak had the upper hand. So at least in that area, Revan is already his equal/superior as of mid-game.
As I said before, not that it actually matters. Malak still lost when amped by a powerful nexus and draining the power of a dozen Jedi to a not-nearly-peak Revan.
Originally posted by Petrus
As I said before, not that it actually matters. Malak still lost when amped by a powerful nexus and draining the power of a dozen Jedi to a not-nearly-peak Revan.Bastila's quote means shit, though. She stated the same thing when you face her on Lehon, and Malak states it again when you face off against him at the Star Forge.
Which isn't the same. When she turned to the dark side, her senses deceived her, as made clear when she inaccurately associated Revan's power fading on the Star Forge when, in reality, it was her own power. As a Jedi, none such limitations are implied, and Malak's power is explicitly stated to have being felt by Revan and co. approaching them on the Leviathan, meaning they have something to gauge Malak's power next to that of their own.
Either way, I said he might be Revan's superior in terms of Force power,
but in terms of lightsaber combat, nothing suggests Malak had the upper hand. So at least in that area, Revan is already his equal/superior as of mid-game.
Besides the above, which heavily suggests Revan was outmatched in melee combat also. 😬