The Originals vs The Volturi
Scenario 1. The Originals (Vampire Diaries + The Originals) are going against the Volutri (Twilight), the Twi-Vamps powers are disabled and Originals compulsion and mind powers are useless.
Scenario 2. Compulsion, physic abilities and Twi-Vamps powers are on and working.
Scenario 3. Book versions of both are allowed, where the Originals will be swapped with the Old Ones and movie Volturi swapped with their book counterparts, all powers on.
The Originals are far more superior to the Volturi. Newborn Vampire's in TVD (the weakest ones), have flipped speeding cars over in less then a second with ease, and even 100+ year old vamps tank speedings cars to the face for fun and shred steel barehanded. While Twi-vamps have strong skin, the Originals have virtually indestructible skeletons and insuperable body parts (only their skin can be pierced). The Originals can not be killed via decapitation, heart ripping, or by being blown to bits. Only the White Oak Stake may strip them of their lives, and their durability is such that Alaric tanked a bomb in his hand and Rebekah shrugged off a bunch of bombs from cars with ease. Strength wise, they have decapitated heads with hats, shredded houses with pebbles, ripped doors apart with newspapers (Klaus), lifted RVs with one hand and stopped SUVs in a single motion. They are also much faster then the Twi-vamps (Kol went from the middle of Mystic Falls to Elena's house in a second, Klaus crossed New Orleans to Virginia in a few minutes, and even weaker, normal vampires have outran bullets). I don't see the Originals losing to the weaker Twi-vamps in any shape or form, even with Scenario 2.
Scenario 3 is a murder stomp. The Old Ones are even stronger then the TV show Originals and have weather manipulation, and indestructible bodies.
I actually think your average twi vampire is above your average vampire from the V-Diaries universe. Yes they can get hit by a car and be okay and get right back up, but Edward can get hit by a car and not even be budged by the impact or even get knocked over.
But The Originals are a lot stronger than normal Vampires, and they are actually tougher to permanently destroy, you need specific magics to do it, or specific items, whereas with Twi vamps you basically just need some fire. We saw even when he had the dagger in his heart Elijah wasn't harmed at all by a flamethrower despite repeated attempts by Damon to destroy his physical form.
So yeah..Originals stomp. Klaus alone was able to fight off a small army of vampires.
Originally posted by Surtur
I actually think your average twi vampire is above your average vampire from the V-Diaries universe. Yes they can get hit by a car and be okay and get right back up, but Edward can get hit by a car and not even be budged by the impact or even get knocked over.But The Originals are a lot stronger than normal Vampires, and helpthey are actually tougher to permanently destroy, you need specific magics to do it, or specific items, whereas with Twi vamps you basically just need some fire. We saw even when he had the dagger in his heart Elijah wasn't harmed at all by a flamethrower despite repeated attempts by Damon to destroy his physical form.
So yeah..Originals stomp. Klaus alone was able to fight off a small army of vampires.
Hmm, it depends I guess. But a TVD Vampire tanked a high speeding car to the face when it was driving forwards, compared to Edward, who stopped that car when it was moving sideways (which has less force then the front, and it wasn't even going nearly as fast). A newborn TVD vamp also flipped a car over in the second it took to get near him when it was driving right towards him in a straight line. I do believe the book versions of Twi-Vamps on average are better then the weaker, normal average vampires, but a case can be made for the film version.
Most magic can't even destroy an Original unless you're exceptionally powerful and have help (Klaus could only be killed by a witch during the ritual to break the curse, but it was still the power of a hundred witches and it was still necessary to pull his heart out by force when the magic bounding his body was being ripped from him). Besides these specific circumstances, along with the White Oak Stake (their real, and only weakness), the Originals are invulnerable. Even in their damn sleep they can't be burnt to a crisp or decapitated and they've been known to tank bombs to the face without being effected.
Elijah has a similar feat as Klaus (fighting a small army of vampires). I'd ague for any Original being able to defeat any one twi-vampire on their lonesome. The Originals feats are plainly ridiculous in comparison to the Twi-vamps.
The books are an entirely different topic that would end in Twilights utter destruction.
Originally posted by Surtur
They "tank" it by getting back up after it hits them. Edwards van feat, plus his feats with knocking down those large tree's in the forest, he has a decent amount of strength over your average V-diary vampire.He still loses to Klaus of course.
Almost every time a vampire has been hit by a car in TVD they've purposefully stayed on the ground to draw the drivers attention but remained unharmed. A newborn vamp jumped off what may have been a mountain and tanked the fall easily (it at least wasn't any less then 800ft) so no. They've handled harsher feats before. Edward wasn't even hit by the van, he stopped it as it moved (as I said before, a newborn Vampire in TVD flipped a high speeding car over from the front, compared to Edward's sideways feat).
Normal vamps have shredded steel before, and move at much greater speeds then any Twi-vamp, while Twi-vamps may have great strength, they are lacking in healing factor and speed. Honestly though, Twi-vamps do have great durability in comparison ,though only via their skin (TVD vamps durability lies in their skeletons and healing factors).
He'd lose to Rebekah or Finn.
I'm not saying they win, since they do lose. Physical strength isn't everything. Twilight vampires were described as almost like concrete, very hard to damage, but once you injure them you can't put them back together. Which has it's advantages, but it means when something is strong enough to injure them they are kind of screwed.
Whereas the Originals laugh off fire like it's nothing. So there will indeed be a horrible slaughter. Indeed you are also correct they are faster. Twi Vamps can keep pace with automobiles, but TVD vamps are a lot faster than that.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not saying they win, since they do lose. Physical strength isn't everything. Twilight vampires were described as almost like concrete, very hard to damage, but once you injure them you can't put them back together. Which has it's advantages, but it means when something is strong enough to injure them they are kind of screwed.Whereas the Originals laugh off fire like it's nothing. So there will indeed be a horrible slaughter. Indeed you are also correct they are faster. Twi Vamps can keep pace with automobiles, but TVD vamps are a lot faster than that.
Yeah, I actually added an edit about Twi-vamps durability, I'd forgotten about it, but it is superior to the normal TVD vamps weak skin. They're about as hard as marble, if I recall, though some say diamond (doubtful). Yeah, screwed as shit without having a great healing factor.
I also respect your opinion about the average vamps from both verses. I think on average, a normal TVD vamp (younger then 1000 years), would find it troublesome to kill a Twi-vamp quickly, and instead it'd be drawn out as a fight. Whilst they have greater speed, the Twi-vamps probably on average have better strength feats until we look at the Originals themselves, who outclass them.
The Originals have laughed off grenades and C4 XD Its indeed a slaughter, and speed wise even normal vamps are faster (but the Twi-vamps are less easily pierced and are strong).
The Originals though, their strength feats alone are on a whole new level, it still boggles my mind that you can destroy wood with a newspaper XD
Its kinda unfair that scenario 3 is The Old Ones vs the Volturi, it should have stayed the Originals but verses the superior book versions of the Volturi.
Originally posted by Surtur
Plus if you remember when the werewolves got bombed there was an RV that was tipped and a werewolf couldn't even budge it and then Elijah comes and lifts it easily.Can't speak on the Old Ones since I never read the books.
True, however werewolves in TVD are weaker in human form (weaker than vampire's) then when they're in wolf form (when they're stronger than vampire's).
The Old Ones are stronger than the Originals, thousands of years older, and just as indestructible (if not more so).
Originally posted by Surtur
Well it depends on the vampire. I'm guessing an old enough vampire(even a non original) would be stronger than a werewolf even in its wolf form.
Doubtful, the Originals themselves were originally made to be stronger then the Wolves, but in every case a wolf form werewolf has taken down the normal vampire. They're faster, stronger, and feared by most normal vampire's. Though Vampire's who are 1000 years old might be stronger I don't know. Vampire's do have more feats then the wolves so who knows.