Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Well 20 seconds is quite a long time to be choking and levitating another force user is it not?
Well Thor,
That depends on which Force user he is choking and levitating for 20 seconds... doesn’t it? Unless you are suggesting that all Force users are the same? Carrying my proposition beyond its natural limits, and lumping those who have a Force affinity into one melting pot. Now my post is to make a clear distinction between the powers of Malak and the powers of Maul, which includes the relative abilities of their opponents. Maul has demonstrated his upper limit against the Seventh Sister, able to hold her in a grip for no more than 20 seconds, while Malak has incapacitated Revan. If it’s merely one-upmanship in an endurance contest - that is to say who can lost the longest - than Malak is still the superior Force user.
And the way he initiated that choke so easily
First of all it was not a choke, it was merely levitation. And there is a difference. A choke being far more intricate by restricting airflow through their windpipe, than simply raising someone from the ground . If we’re to go by Anoon Bondara’s lifting a rock is easier than lifting a grain of sand, then one of these tasks is certainly more masterful than the other. I have yet to see Maul choke a Jedi without some sort of circumstance aiding him. Malak is just capable of doing so to Multiple Jedi at once, without much riposte, even able to walk away and have a conversation with Revan during the interim.
Secondly, you might tell me what part of that feat was so easy for Maul? He was after all, picking her out while she was busy fighting Ezra. As a third point, Maul might not show difficulty initiating a Force attack, but that is not the same as sustaining one. The principles of physics apply. Try picking up a 15kg dumbell by stretching your arm out fully, and holding it there for 20 seconds. You might have the strength to lift it up, but I guarantee you will have a hard time keeping it there.
[/i] Originally posted by DarthDuelist9[/i]
He wants to lure Ezra to the Dark Side, he's obviously going to be angry/frustrated when Ezra fails his test (kiling the Seventh Sister)
If you’re not going to represent my argument as it was put forth, then you are unfit for a reply. I’m sorry, but I have no desire to repeat myself, so I’ll have to ask you to learn the difference between an interpretation rooted on evidence, than one that is based off; well, pretty much nothing. I have no time for people who will take my propositions which were intended to refer to a particular thing, and understand it in some quite different sense, refuting it from there. Attacking something different than that which was asserted.
there is no indication that he has trouble holding the Seventh Sister in place.
Except for the fact he has trouble holding the Seventh sister in place.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Besides, these false signs of Maul's fatigue
False signs?
Is that to say the signs were there, but he was just - much like 80% of the female population when it comes to orgasms - faking it? Or that the signs were not there at all? In which case I’ll have to ask what medication you are taking, and if I can have some. In seriousness though, I know you’re an expert when it comes to fanon discontinuity. The act of mentally writing out certain events in a show's continuity which don't sit well, no matter if it's a single instance of an episode, a season-length arc, an entire season or even an entire series. It’s a common occurrence with less than par viewers to just decide that the offending events never happened. They did happen though Nova, and just because you don’t likey, doesn’t mean they never existed.
occur when/after he utilizes Saber Throw, which he's doing as he Grips the Sister. So you'd have to factor in the Saber Throw, not just Force Grip.
More Fanon. The fatigue signs happen before the saber throw, which is why he chose to throw his saber in the first place - to relieve himself of the act that was causing him strain.
Originally posted by ILS
Ziggy is letting his immensely unhealthy fascination with me taint his posts. I'm sure he doesn't actually have so few brain cells as to believe Maul had difficulty there.
Are you now such a fanboy that any attack on Maul's lackluster fighting abilties, is a perceived attack on yourself? Or do you genuinely believe that this is just there to bait you? On the contrary, I thought you'd given up on Maul when it became public knowledge, that he can't even kill a man with direct lightsaber hit to a bare face. But hypothetically speaking, let's say I am just doing this to grind your gears. Why is it any different from your most recent thread calling out Darth Bane Of course, that little misnomer wasn't directed at anyone in particular ... was it?
Anyway, care to debate?
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
That depends on which Force user he is choking and levitating for 20 seconds... doesn’t it?
Hard to tell, perhaps. Anyway, if you catch someone off-guard, it seems that this person own powers somehow doesn't matter. Sidious probably could choke Dooku until he would die, after he catched him off-guard.
Ventress catched Anakin and Obi-Wan off-guard and she held them until the explosion on the ship has thrown her off-balance.
Savage choked Dooku and Ventress, and perhaps only his inferior concentration and rising rage forced him to throw them onto wall.
And finally - according to deleted scene from Maul vs Sidious' fight, even Maul was able to hold Sidious for some time, after he cathed him off-guard.
If that would depend on how powerful is your enemy, Maul would be forced to release Sidious quite fast. Same with Opress vs Dooku or Ventress vs Skywalker
That and since this is Force only, I can't see Maul trying to engage in melee, which was the only reason he was brought down by Mighella's(who wasn't really a low-tier Nightsister) lighting anyway as he was already mid-jump and basically point blank range.
Also another notch for Legends, about the Nightsisters!
Originally posted by Zenwolf
That and since this is Force only, I can't see Maul trying to engage in melee, which was the only reason he was brought down by Mighella's(who wasn't really a low-tier Nightsister) lighting anyway as he was already mid-jump and basically point blank range.Also another notch for Legends, about the Nightsisters!