Sentry Vs Gotham

Originally posted by bobbybatman
Thats not an insult.

Thanks for the compliment then, I didn't realise how much you value the BDZ-fans and the Sentry-fans.

Apologies accepted ? 🙁

Many points have been put forward which you defended just by saying "Sentry is infinite and he stomps all " .

The only point that have been put forward in the first page is "Gotham can rise-up his power-level via shortening his lifespan thus he will become a God and stomp Sentry."

Which I replied by poiting-out that Sentry's power-level is infinite thus making that task impossible in the first place.

I can add Sentry's immortality and omniversal reality warping powers which allows him to do whatever he wants.

I already showed Sentry squishing Molecule Man like a bug once he understood the true nature of his powers.

Which feats have Gotham to compete with Sentry ?

Butchering the Justice League via amping his durability and strength to new standards for the League ? Come on...

How to counter that when you say only one thing based on a PIS scan ?

That's not a PIS scan, that's the way Bendis chosen to show how powerful Sentry is.

There are many villains more powerful than Sentry, Superman had whooped good eg. Solaris, Doomsday, Darkseid,etc.

Bugs.

THere is a whole list of villains who will oneshot Sentry but JL had defeated them all.

I read your posts and I know why you are so centric on Sentry. Thats poetic !

I always argue in threads I know all the characters.

You only think your character is infinite and fully unstoppable

I'm just taking Marvel's opinion about his own characters very seriously.

denying all the points on the opposite,

You've admitted that you have never read a single Sentry comics in the first place so what are you trying to do ? Arguing from ignorance ?

then what is to argue in there ? You keep to your decision, so will I.

ok

Sentry threads always seem to turn into complete garbage -- they're worse than Thanos or Flash threads ever were, imo. It's a real shame because Sentry is an interesting character who could actually spark good discussions, IF people didn't feel the need to go completely off the f*cking reservation when debating him.

...But alas. 🙁

Originally posted by Galan007
Sentry threads always seem to turn into complete garbage -- they're worse than Thanos or Flash threads ever were, imo. It's a real shame because Sentry is an interesting character who could actually spark good discussions, IF people didn't feel the need to go completely off the f*cking reservation when debating him.

...But alas. 🙁

He is unpopular so that's why.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sentry threads always seem to turn into complete garbage -- they're worse than Thanos or Flash threads ever were, imo. It's a real shame because Sentry is an interesting character who could actually spark good discussions, IF people didn't feel the need to go completely off the f*cking reservation when debating him.

...But alas. 🙁

Yep, I think it's down to him being so polarising but even then I don't think that should change anything.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sentry threads always seem to turn into complete garbage -- they're worse than Thanos or Flash threads ever were, imo. It's a real shame because Sentry is an interesting character who could actually spark good discussions, IF people didn't feel the need to go completely off the f*cking reservation when debating him.

...But alas. 🙁

I can agree with you Galan and i'm sure i'm a contributor to the issues somewhat, but when people say silly stuff like Superman can take him or he'll get one shot by many villains, whats one to do?

Totally understand. I just wish Sentry threads could stay civil/reasonable long enough to produce some quality discussions, because like I said: he really is an interesting character.

Heck, even I used to enjoy participating in Sentry threads(he's actually in my top 10 favorite Marvel characters)... Until all of the threads he's involved in started becoming toxic. I want no part of that craziness. 😖

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's not a PIS scan, that's the way Bendis chosen to show how powerful Sentry is.

I agree with this. That story clearly was set up to expand on Sentry's power. One would be better off calling it SIP: Stupidity Induced Plot. Bendis wanted to base Sentry's power on cosmic level reality warping, so he wrote him as out-warping Molecule Man.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I agree with this. That story clearly was set up to expand on Sentry's power. One would be better off calling it SIP: Stupidity Induced Plot. Bendis wanted to base Sentry's power on cosmic level reality warping, so he wrote him as out-warping Molecule Man.

And so did Jenkins, Sentry warped the Marvel Omniverse without changing the timeline to be part of it.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
And so did Jenkins, Sentry warped the Marvel Omniverse without changing the timeline to be part of it.

Jenkins even stated his intent for Sentry to be a reality warper:

Originally posted by Galan007
Totally understand. I just wish Sentry threads could stay civil/reasonable long enough to produce some quality discussions, because like I said: he really is an interesting character.

Heck, even I used to enjoy participating in Sentry threads(he's actually in my top 10 favorite Marvel characters)... Until all of the threads he's involved in started becoming toxic. I want no part of that craziness. 😖

It's just ridiculous at this point.

Also, you have two examples of Sentry basically overloading the power of beings with powers based on adapting/absorbing his. If Gotham suffers ill effects the higher he has to go in power to defeat an opponent, it is consistent with Sentry's history for there to be a possibility of taking Gotham's ability past his limits. This, among other things:

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2767090-sentry_powers_drives_adaptoid_insane_1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15047/430543-Civil_War_-_The_Return_001_022.jpg

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-340b0c562f1c901fb943a6dbcd162eec-c?convert_to_webp=true

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144301/4285111-drdoom.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2766683-sentry_vs_terrax_2.jpg

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2766684-sentry_vs_terrax_3.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11120/111202308/4503020-3168522-8271397499-sentr.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/64880/4681124-1414560645-K3O2G.jpg

http://www.unwinnable.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/siege.jpg

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Jenkins even stated his intent for Sentry to be a reality warper:

Also this:

Still using social media as evidence reported 😐

If you don't have actual feats or dialog from the comic, don't bother posting evidence. And it's tough reading posts from people who don't know all combatants. Follow the rules:

Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format

[b]No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.

Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.

An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed. [/B]

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Thanks for the compliment then, I didn't realise how much you value the BDZ-fans and the Sentry-fans.

Apologies accepted ? 🙁

The only point that have been put forward in the first page is "Gotham can rise-up his power-level via shortening his lifespan thus he will become a God and stomp Sentry."

Which I replied by poiting-out that Sentry's power-level is infinite thus making that task impossible in the first place.

I can add Sentry's immortality and omniversal reality warping powers which allows him to do whatever he wants.

I already showed Sentry squishing Molecule Man like a bug once he understood the true nature of his powers.

Which feats have Gotham to compete with Sentry ?

Butchering the Justice League via amping his durability and strength to new standards for the League ? Come on...

That's not a PIS scan, that's the way Bendis chosen to show how powerful Sentry is.

Bugs.

Keep believing that.

That's not an argument.

I always argue in threads I know all the characters.

I'm just taking Marvel's opinion about his own characters very seriously.

You've admitted that you have never read a single Sentry comics in the first place so what are you trying to do ? Arguing from ignorance ?

ok

You will never accept defeat. His intelligence is very dumb as per his power levels. There's a reason WW beat many opponents that are way too powerful than her due to her intelligence and skills. Same goes for Batman, Constantine, Hal Jordan, Ironman, Luthor, etc. And all you can say is " Sentry wins" and give false assumptions about me. Power levels and how to use that power is vastly different.

I agree with Abhilegend.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Sentry fans would never admit any other character can beat him.

It's just ridiculous at this point.

Its getting too much here, so finally I will conclude. Earlier, Gotham 10/10.
Now, considering all Sentry's scans as 'fair and without PIS' : Gotham wins 6/10. Those twitter scans pretty much proves my argument about him. Hilarious though. Sorry if you felt like an insult up there, not intended any.
Adios, mate. It seems I am the only one fan of Gotham who can back him up here and in an another thread vs MAZHAS where Galan007 mistaked his powerset.
Gotham wins 6/10.

Originally posted by bobbybatman
Its getting too much here, so finally I will conclude. Earlier, Gotham 10/10.
Now, considering all Sentry's scans as 'fair and without PIS' : Gotham wins 6/10. Those twitter scans pretty much proves my argument about him. Hilarious though. Sorry if you felt like an insult up there, not intended any.
Adios, mate. It seems I am the only one fan of Gotham who can back him up here and in an another thread vs MAZHAS where Galan007 mistaked his powerset.
Gotham wins 6/10.

Just to note, the reason I posted the Twitter scan was not to prove what Sentry is capable of, but rather to show that what he has been shown doing (notably the defeat of Molecule Man) is not PIS. Even if one thinks his power levels are stupid, they are character induced as opposed to plot induced.

That simple distinction changed your view from 0 victories to 4 victories, so it seems important. As far as his intelligence, he is not portrayed as unintelligent by Jurgens nor Bendis, but rather unhinged and insecure. He has been portrayed as unintelligent in guest appearances during the time that he is playing a more villain role and in order to compensate for his power level.

What is Gotham's birth name? Any search of the "Gotham" only brings up Batman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Sentry fans would never admit any other character can beat him.

It's just ridiculous at this point.

Well Superman cant do it and thats what really bothers you.

Originally posted by bobbybatman
You are the one who assumed . I have read his comics, I was jsut telling he is not an interesting character with terrible stories as my experience . They don't tell the same about SPiderman, Black Panther, Ironman even Thanos, Constantine, X men, DC's big guns ,etc . why ??

It truly depends what kind of stories you want to read.

You will never accept defeat.

I accept every argument once:

1) Everything is perfectly understood from both side and backed-up.

2) All aspects of the fight are taking in account and no showing of the characters handwaved (according to the context, there is no reason to use an unstable Sentry nor to use a Kryptonite poisoned Superman).

His intelligence is very dumb as per his power levels.

That's not a lack of intelligence.

He is a very unstable character psychologically speaking and he is extremely scared about his powers, rightly.

There's a reason WW beat many opponents that are way too powerful than her due to her intelligence and skills. Same goes for Batman, Constantine, Hal Jordan, Ironman, Luthor, etc. And all you can say is " Sentry wins" and give false assumptions about me. Power levels and how to use that power is vastly different.

That's the entire point of the character.

Sentry is an human whom became a God and sees himself as an human-being struggling with his Godlike powers and psychological issues.

Superman is almost the opposite. Clark is an human-being in the pure sense of the term that everybody sees as a God because of his alien origins that gives him tremendous powers.

That's two completely different concept of characters.

Both are interesting and leads to different stories.

I agree with Abhilegend.

Its getting too much here, so finally I will conclude. Earlier, Gotham 10/10.
Now, considering all Sentry's scans as 'fair and without PIS' : Gotham wins 6/10. Those twitter scans pretty much proves my argument about him. Hilarious though.

Like TheHulkster said I posted them simply to show that the feat about Molecule Man is legit and that Sentry is clearly above him from the start.

Bendis, whom wrote the story, said that he is using Sentry with Paul Jenkins blessing which means that he is respectful about what the character is and what he can do.

Sorry if you felt like an insult up there, not intended any.

I was kidding mate. No problem.

Adios, mate. It seems I am the only one fan of Gotham who can back him up here and in an another thread vs MAZHAS where Galan007 mistaked his powerset.
Gotham wins 6/10.

Well, you are free to think what you want.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well Superman cant do it and thats what really bothers you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing is more amusing than a self entitled Sentry fan.

Only a zealous Superman fanboy that posts laughing emoji's when he knows his favorite character is brutally outclassed in every way.