Deadshot and Harley Quinn vs Hawkeye and Black Widow
Deadshot and Harley from Suicide Squad.
VS
Hawkeye and Natasha from Civil War.
Round 1: They starts against each other from 15m.
Round 2: They starts against each other from 90m.
Standard weapons and gears for both sides.
The fight takes place in Sekovia.
Which team wins and why?
Originally posted by h1a8
Deadshot is faster than Hawkeye. Natasha hasn't proven very accurate from 90m away. Harley is just as fast as her with a gun.
Hawkeye is a non factor here.
You have autism. Hawkeye and Deadshot are the only threats each respective team faces at that distance.
If Floyd makes the mistake of targeting widow first (he would probably naturally make the assumption that the girl with the gun is deadlier than the guy with the bow) he dies immediately. I'd also add that widow did in fact ping WS in the eye with her glock during the bridge scene when he peered over to look for her. It bounced of his Goggles but it was a damn hit. She has shown better accuracy at distance than harley.
Deadshot's read-up had him as lethal from 4,000 meters, or 2 1/2 miles. And he made a shot from a skyscraper off a fence post into a guys head with an arm mounted pistol. That was far more than 90 meters, which is just shy of 300 feet.
Also, Deadshot had Batman dead to rights. His daughter just jumped in the way. The first shot would've killed him, or at least severely wounded him had his armor not been bulletproof. Also, Floyd put up a good fight, but he doesn't have metahuman strength like Bruce. This is shown again where he puts up a good fight against Enchantress, but she's super strong so he gets tossed around.
It's all moot though as Floyd fires at most a few shots and the Marvel team drops.
Originally posted by KingD19
Deadshot's read-up had him as lethal from 4,000 meters, or 2 1/2 miles. And he made a shot from a skyscraper off a fence post into a guys head with an arm mounted pistol. That was far more than 90 meters, which is just shy of 300 feet.Also, Deadshot had Batman dead to rights. His daughter just jumped in the way. The first shot would've killed him, or at least severely wounded him had his armor not been bulletproof. Also, Floyd put up a good fight, but he doesn't have metahuman strength like Bruce. This is shown again where he puts up a good fight against Enchantress, but she's super strong so he gets tossed around.
It's all moot though as Floyd fires at most a few shots and the Marvel team drops.
Lethal at 4000 meters but with what gun and what ammunition? Is that with prep or not? You can't just give him blanket feats and assume he could do the samw regardless of equipment.
I don't recall him making the shot from a skyscraper. A building yes but don't think it was a skyscraper. Regardless, he was already able to scout the area, put up a bunch of gadgets to aid him in the shot and shot someone who was completely unaware of his presence.
To think that he could shoot at a similar distance without prep and without the assistance of gadgets without the support of feats is, quite frankly, fanboyism.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Lethal at 4000 meters but with what gun and what ammunition? Is that with prep or not? You can't just give him blanket feats and assume he could do the samw regardless of equipment.I don't recall him making the shot from a skyscraper. A building yes but don't think it was a skyscraper. Regardless, he was already able to scout the area, put up a bunch of gadgets to aid him in the shot and shot someone who was completely unaware of his presence.
To think that he could shoot at a similar distance without prep and without the assistance of gadgets without the support of feats is, quite frankly, fanboyism.
Lethal at 4,000 meters with a gun capable of shooting 4,000 meters. It was a quick drop down during his introduction, but that doesn't mean we ignore it. He was put on the Squad exactly for reasons like that.
It's not really important as the starting distances are well within the range of his wrist pistol, which means they're well within the range of every other weapon he has as well. I was simply pointing out that he can make a hit beyond 90m, especially since his first shot is far beyond 300 feet.
And even though he had his targeting computer(which only put out the number of men and some angles), he still eyeballed the shot off the fencepost with no prep. That was an improvised shot because the guy had walked inside the building and he didn't have a clear line of fire. So he basically no scoped a guy from a building top, several hundred feet away, off a fence post, through a guys head with a wrist mounted pistol because he could.(He could have used his rifle, but switched to his pistol at the last second) You can't try and downplay that feat.
Also considering he was headshotting those soldiers left and right as well as could have blown Harley out of the sky(after getting pretty far and swaying back and forth in the dead of night), his accuracy isn't really in question.
Originally posted by KingD19
Lethal at 4,000 meters with a gun capable of shooting 4,000 meters. It was a quick drop down during his introduction, but that doesn't mean we ignore it. He was put on the Squad exactly for reasons like that.It's not really important as the starting distances are well within the range of his wrist pistol, which means they're well within the range of every other weapon he has as well. I was simply pointing out that he can make a hit beyond 90m, especially since his first shot is far beyond 300 feet.
And even though he had his targeting computer(which only put out the number of men and some angles), he still eyeballed the shot off the fencepost with no prep. That was an improvised shot because the guy had walked inside the building and he didn't have a clear line of fire. So he basically no scoped a guy from a building top, several hundred feet away, off a fence post, through a guys head with a wrist mounted pistol because he could.(He could have used his rifle, but switched to his pistol at the last second) You can't try and downplay that feat.
Also considering he was headshotting those soldiers left and right as well as could have blown Harley out of the sky(after getting pretty far and swaying back and forth in the dead of night), his accuracy isn't really in question.
I'm not downplaying the feat, but using a feat where the target was completely unaware and where DS had time to prep and scout the area (he even knew where the guy was walking towards) isn't exactly that applicable to a gunfight where he'll be going up against prepared individuals who'll be shooting at him.
Clint on the other hand has made long distance shots in the middle of a fight wihout prep and without any special equipment other than his usual stuff.
actually if you watch closely Deadshot put up a piece of flat metal onto the fence before he posted up on the roof, he knew where the guy was going to be and placed what i assume is a ricochet plate onto the fence
this doesn't take away from his skill, i just thought id point that out because a lot of people missed that.
Also he didn't have Batman dead to rights, Batman has always been fast enough to evade Deadshot and this incarnation is no exception, Lawton would have gone for the mouth opening and hit his armour at best.