Hal Jordan/Superman vs. Magneto/Phoenix

Originally posted by h1a8
How could phoenix even hurt Superman? Did you see the zod fight? Nothing Phoenix did was on that magnitude of damage. And Superman wasn't damaged in the slightest after all of that.
Phoenix is not bullet proof. That means that she can be penetrated very easily. Plus Superman has speed on his side.

I assumed people meant she'd take him out via mental attack, since yeah she won't be doing much damage to the guys actual body.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Someone tried to use that scene as a durability feat, I merely pointed out that a normal human survived it. thus as durability feats go, it wasn't very impressive.

This is information you'd know if you actually watched the movie and read the thread before responding.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Someone tried to use that scene as a durability feat, I merely pointed out that a normal human survived it. thus as durability feats go, it wasn't very impressive.

This is information you'd know if you actually watched the movie and read the thread before responding.

I never used that feat as a durability feat, I used it as speed feat for Kal.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So what you're saying is that you've never seen the movie. I mean don't you have anything better to do than make retarded claims and arguments?

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About like 35 seconds in what starts to happen to his face? What is..it seems like it's almost warping? Or is that me?

I mean you ever see the special effect in Harry Potter when a Dementor kind of gets close to someone and feeds on them? It kind of looks like that.

Originally posted by SquallX
I never used that feat as a durability feat, I used it as speed feat for Kal.

Originally posted by SquallX
Superman survived the pull of a miniature black hole, that speed puts him above anything those 2 have ever reacted too.

He speed blitz, or laser there faces off, or throws a mountain on them. Nothing Mags or Phoenix have ever done can match Kal.

Not one mention of durability but that is how Silent Master translated the statement.

Originally posted by SquallX
I never used that feat as a durability feat, I used it as speed feat for Kal.

It's not much of a speed feat either, as the stuff it was pulling it wasn't moving very fast.

If I recall correctly, the singularity which is pretty much the phantom zone opening again only drew things that had come from the Phantom zone. Which explains why Lois kept falling and wasn't sucked it. However Superman spent time in the Phantom Zone having used a Phantom Drive to come to Earth. I believe it was implied that the World Engine is empowered by Phantom Drive energies which Superman was also affected with. Thus, showing why Superman was effected and not Lois.

So, that pretty much shuts down any disparity Silent Master tried to imply.

Not at all, based on the speed of the objects it was pulling in Superman's feat isn't that impressive speed-wise. You'd have been better off using his other flying feats.

Not that you're aware of his flying feats, as you never watched the movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not at all, based on the speed of the objects it was pulling in Superman's feat isn't that impressive speed-wise. You'd have been better off using his other flying feats.

Not that you're aware of his flying feats, as you never watched the movie.

So do you feel Superman did nothing speed wise to at least suggest he has a 50/50 shot at using his heat vision before Phoenix uses mental powers?

I'm more responding to the idea that the scene in question was some kind of massively impressive speed showing.

I think it's entirely possible for either team to win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not at all, based on the speed of the objects it was pulling in Superman's feat isn't that impressive speed-wise. You'd have been better off using his other flying feats.

Not that you're aware of his flying feats, as you never watched the movie.

Get back to me after you watch the movie

Magneto is done outright. Phoenix's only chance against Supes is the mental side. Her powers at max took time to cut Wolverine down, but his skin isn't super tough, he simply heals. One full on shot to the dome from Supes would literally cave her head in.

You think the Wolverine scene was an example of Phoenix going all out?

Considering what she'd already done at that point, i.e., back in the subdivision and to the soldiers/weaponry as Magneto directed her once they left the bridge and her concentration as Logan worked his way towards her I'd say yes. If you want to pull in evidence that she was still toying around and wasn't at peak you're free to, but I don't recall anything suggesting that. She didn't demonstrate anything capable of destroying Superman before he could take her head from her shoulders. Now, if you want to argue that her mental powers could come into play, that might be an interesting discussion.

Unless we're arguing here only the AoA version?