Aquaman Vs Morlun

Originally posted by leonidas
incidentally, here is another scan showing the 'family' (these are morlun's equally powerful brothers and sisters) can certainly be hurt by piercing:

http://imgur.com/a/B6oWl

a knife thrown by an alt spidey sure as hell doesn't equal a magic trident thrown or thrusted by AM....

and here:

http://imgur.com/a/QH2cF

true kaine did a lot of damage, but ock still pierced and killed him. or are those scans also lowballs? because they took place in the definitive inheritors arc (of which morlun is one....)

morlun's best single showing imo was taking out alt genis. who knows what level he was at, but it's still impressive imo. if he can drain arthur's life force, than this could end quickly i suppose. but from a purely physical contest this is still pretty close i think. if he CAN drain arthur, i wonder what the limits of that draining would be? do we assume he could simply drain and kill superman? silver surfer?

i wish they would have expanded more on his powers....

Y is taking out alt genis impressive?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Leo, calm down. I'm not even aggressively debating you, I am disagreeing with you though. Aquaman is no Wonder Woman and him having the strength to harm them doesn't put them on their level and I never said he was on their level either. He's close though just like Morlun is close with the ability to amp even further.

He performs different against non totems? Where you get that from? His physical stats seems concrete.

Spiderman isn't faster...especially when we take into consideration Morlun allowing Parker to wail on him. When Morlun wanted to slap Spidey, he never failed to do so. Iirc, didn't morlun move so fast that he vanished right in front of Parker ending with Parker thinking Morlun was some kind of ghost (when Wolverine showed up).

Aquaman is no Wonder Woman or Gladiator or Superman so I don't even know why you are mentioning them. At the end of the day Morlun is above Aquaman in everything and Aquaman trident isn't changing this.

yeah, yeah.....

as far as mentioning the others--i was curious to see how far up the ladder you'd put him. someone who can stomp AM as easily as you made it seem he would would almost have to be high herald. higher? who knows, maybe you're even right--maybe if he faced surfer he'd just drain him for an easy win. the way you were talking LEADS to those sorts of implications, but...you never answered my question. so, he WOULDN'T beat gladiator? wonder woman? but he would stomp a hole in AM, who you've compared to both superman and wonder woman? makes no sense. so he's limited to...mid heralds? then i can't see you thinking this would be a stomp.

point is, if you don't know where YOU think he stops, then....what's the point of commenting at all? (just to aggravate me isn't a good reason sneer )

about the non-totems: you were using that spidey arc a lot--the initial one he appeared in. at the time, his powers were less fleshed out and it was thought that he was stronger fighting the totems because of the way he could drain them. the idea that ezekiel could bloody him with a single shot while spidey couldn't even scratch him helped support that idea. i think that is still partly true--it's why spiders have such a hard time against him. but he has drained others since then as well, but he doesn't seem to gain power like he does when he drains a totem. solus did gain power when he drained the enigma force though, as it was pure life energy, so....i don't friggin know.

we also saw spidey kill morlun in 'the other' arc. the whole thing was weird, but again, we see he isn't invulnerable:

http://imgur.com/a/MjskA

http://imgur.com/a/2mRwt

http://imgur.com/a/9Ihzf

http://imgur.com/a/HG0UT

i think there is enough support, and enough questions regarding the exact nature and limits to morlun's powers, to suggest this is far from a stomp.

@sin--morlun recognized genis as a cosmic entity and still didn't care, then drained him. even if he wasn't as powerful as 616 genis, i still find it impressive, and it was a scene i'd forgotten about.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He had never read JL.

Or any other comic.

Originally posted by carver9
That's not how it went

You're right, I just reread it. It was even worse than I remember. Good catch 👆.

Carver is out of tinfoil.

Originally posted by carver9
Debate friend. Please debate for a change.

Speed Aquaman blitzed Wonder Woman in Throne of Atlantis

Strength even we ignore the eye stab thing as a "momentum" shared feat,

Aquaman also stabbed into Darkseid's chest with his trident and got some of the Omega effect to leak.

Only person to shatter Graves shielding as well.

Trident 🔱 is going to hurt for sure... But this draining business can be a game changer.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Trident 🔱 is going to hurt for sure... But this draining business can be a game changer.

i agree. if he can drain him, art's in loads of trouble. my comments were mostly directed at a purely physical confrontation.

👆

Morlun seems to delight in masochism... Likes to play with his prey, see the confusion then fear in their eyes. Underestimating Arthur for too long will lead to defeat. I think he'll resort to draining early however once he realizes how strong 💪 Arthur is. Provided he survives long enough of course..

So overall, this seems to have not been a bad natch up.
Thats all i was going for.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats nice.

No offense, BTW.
Its just, the way characters are debated online, they're all nigh-unstoppable.

It's not always the case, sometimes people just love to lowball. You can see this in literally every single Karate Kid topic. I think some people got beat up by a school bully who used karate and I dunno..it left a mark on them.

Does the character have super speed? They win.

High end super speed is indeed a very valuable tool and yes a lot of times speed kills. So to me that is why I wouldn't make a fight where one person has high end speed and the other person lacks high end speed and also lacks any other way to survive.

Since it's either they win via speedblitz or we spend 1900 pages arguing over whether or not a character will use their speed or if they'll just be content to allow themselves to get beat to death. You see because 99% of superheroes are sado-masichists who love pain.

TP? They win.
Death spores? They win.
Battle computer? They win.
Are they Superman, Batman, or Black Panther? They win.

Just trying to start a thread here, man. 😛

All these other things are circumstantial. Especially death spores being an automatic win..or battle computers. I mean Midnighter is kinda shitty all things considered.

I just think people need to really consider the abilities of characters before posting a fight.

It's not always the case, sometimes people just love to lowball. You can see this in literally every single Karate Kid topic. I think some people got beat up by a school bully who used karate and I dunno..it left a mark on them.

I just think people need to really consider the abilities of characters before posting a fight.

We havent seen proof of Morlun draining non totems

Originally posted by krisblaze
We havent seen proof of Morlun draining non totems

He drained the Alt Genis but he described the energy as recycled. Totems seemingly heal him up more., they are somehow purer.

Where is the bear totem though? It's just not fair. F*ck spiders.

Originally posted by Surtur
Where is the bear totem though? It's just not fair. F*ck spiders.

He did feed on a Badger totem once. No bears yet though.

Cuz he knows a bear would bite his face off.

URSA MAJOR FTW!!!

He drained a random passerby, who was just a human.