Who out of the TOR Sith Empire can defeat Karness Muur?

I think he means all the DM's.

Yes, obviously.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yes, obviously.

Don't all the Dread Masters at once = Revan?

I'd say thats enough to put them above Muur.

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However, I'd say that Jadus or Malgus beating him is a bit of a stretch.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I think he means all the DM's.

Makes sense. I figured that the OP wanted singular Sith though rather than groups.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Don't all the Dread Masters at once = Revan?

I'd say thats enough to put them above Muur.

Lol. Pushing Vitiate does not equal being superior to VP Vader or Vong Krayt and being comparable to Sidious.

If we look at this logically if Vader had a much greater chance of defeating Muur then he did Sidious he would have allied himself with him if only to replace Sidious with a weaker master that he'd have a better chance of overthrowing.

Ehh dunno about Jadus but I reckon Malgus could

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lol. Pushing Vitiate does not equal being superior to VP Vader or Vong Krayt and being comparable to Sidious.

If we look at this logically if Vader had a much greater chance of defeating Muur then he did Sidious he would have allied himself with him if only to replace Sidious with a weaker master that he'd have a better chance of overthrowing.

Or, you know, better the devil you know.

Anyway, the text makes it unclear whether Vader would be victorious or if he were "merely replacing one master for another." Comparatively, as of RotJ, Vader believes he has no chance against Palpatine.

But the fact is that if Muur had been substantially weaker Vader would have simply used him to replace Sidious so that he would have at least been able to weaken whatever Master he did have. He must have thought that whatever gap in power existed between Sidious and Muur wasn't worth the knowledge he already had on Palpatine.

Considering Vader's unsure whether he or Muur is going to be the master, that's clearly not the case.

But it's a pretty moot when debating "power levels" as resisting Muur isn't about force power but rather will power and motivations. It's like the One Ring in that regard.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe Vader ever thought that it was possibility he'd become the master in his relationship with Muur. His plan was to either use Muur as a tool to get rid of Palpatine but the inherent risk was that Muur would also be too powerful for Vader.

You ability to resist a Force user's influence is directly tied to your power in the Force.

The possibilities were he either resists Muur or he doesn't. If Vader could tap into the Muur talisman and use the power as he will would that not make him the master of it?

Certainly does not seem to be the case with the Muur talisman. But if that's the case, then Vader clearly can resist it as Celeste (an inferior force user) was able to do so.

It would make him the master of the Talisman which would allow him to draw on Muur's power as a spirit though it doesn't necessarily mean he would have been more powerful then Muur was in life.

But the question is would Vader be able to fully draw on its power without being possessed?

You're correct. And I've never said nor even implied as much.

I didn't mean to imply you did.