Originally posted by h1a8
Her sword was proven to cut through DD. DD is just as durable as Superman (or close). She cuts through Ultron and Kurse with ease. Destroyer is the big problem though.
Ultron is mostly made of Vibranium. There's no proof yet that she can cut through that. Maybe she can, but it's a question mark.
Kurse she should be able to cut through, but Kurse also doesn't seem to feel the pain and I doubt she could do it easily. Kurse was tanking Asgardian weapons. Kurse was also fast enough to slap Mjolnir away, she isn't going to do anything "easy" with anyone on that team.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ultron is mostly made of Vibranium. There's no proof yet that she can cut through that. Maybe she can, but it's a question mark.Kurse she should be able to cut through, but Kurse also doesn't seem to feel the pain and I doubt she could do it easily. Kurse was tanking Asgardian weapons. Kurse was also fast enough to slap Mjolnir away, she isn't going to do anything "easy" with anyone on that team.
Ultron is not made of vibranium. Did you see the movie?
Also Superman and DD is far more durable than those two. She cuts them easier. Mjolnir traveled a long distance away and it wasn't moving very fast. It was trying to return to Thor's hand.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm going with team 1.WW doesn't have enough feats yet to know whether she can take out anyone on team 1. Vision is good but he was unable to take out Ultron on his own. And as powerful as Hulk is, brute force won't do much against Destroyer or probably won't be enough for final form Ultron.
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Team 1 wins...
Originally posted by h1a8He was a "cocktail" meaning he wasnt fully vibranium. So no, obviously not entirely indestructable.
He never achieved that form. Ultron was easily destroyed in the movie by conventional means. If he was vibranium then he would have no sold those attacks.
I would put his hardline durability somewhere about same as a fresh kryptonian like nam ek or faora or zod. Does that make sense?
The Destroyer was stabbed through by that spear, the slats would just move around the sword.
And yes, classic Destroyer's durabiltiy is pretty far up there. The celestials, King Thor, and maybe one other thing have damaged the 616 version.
Originally posted by tkitna
Destroyer should probably solo. Team 1 wins.
I dont know about that. All 3 of team 1 are pretty fast. It cant take them down by itself. All 3 are more than capable of ragdolling it. Maybe cant hurt it,but they can keep knocking it around and it will never have chance to retaliate.
Diana is only one here capable of putting down Kurse or Destroyer with her shield or lasso maybe.
Originally posted by h1a8
He never achieved that form. Ultron was easily destroyed in the movie by conventional means. If he was vibranium then he would have no sold those attacks.
No one said he was pure vibranium, but his final form (for the Sokovia battle) was very specifically called a "vibranium cocktail" by Tony. And Tony's systems were also able to detect the rest of the vibranium through solid rock, so he likely had a better idea of Ultron's composition than you do.
And "easily destroyed" by "conventional means"? lol
It took a combined effort from Iron Man's repulsors, a blast from the Mind Gem and Thor going HAM to even start damaging him. And only once he was already damaged was Scarlet Witch able to use her psionic powers to pull out his "heart".
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He was a "cocktail" meaning he wasnt fully vibranium. So no, obviously not entirely indestructable.I would put his hardline durability somewhere about same as a fresh kryptonian like nam ek or faora or zod. Does that make sense?
The Destroyer was stabbed through by that spear, the slats would just move around the sword.
And yes, classic Destroyer's durabiltiy is pretty far up there. The celestials, King Thor, and maybe one other thing have damaged the 616 version.
Cap's shield is made out of vibranium. Ultron was considerable weaker based off how easily he got damaged. He has no feats of durability to show he's as durable as Nam. Kryptonians can be knocked through Skyscrapers and knocked up the distance of a skyscraper without receiving a scratch. Even knocked a good portion of a mile and denting in solid thick vault steel without a scratch. Do you know how many tons of force something receives when they are hit upward the length of a skyscraper?
You can't use comic Destroyers feats. They are not canon to the movie universe. You have to use its movie feats. It has no feats to suggest durability equal or above a Kryptonian. It was destroyed by its own beam with falling from a great height.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerThose are conventional means. Thor's lighting has no considerable feats (it charged IM in one scene). It's repulsor is conventional. The Mind gem blast is conventional too based how it was damaging the clones (not impressed).
No one said he was pure vibranium, but his final form (for the Sokovia battle) was very specifically called a "vibranium cocktail" by Tony. And Tony's systems were also able to detect the rest of the vibranium through solid rock, so he likely had a better idea of Ultron's composition than you do.And "easily destroyed" by "conventional means"? lol
It took a combined effort from Iron Man's repulsors, a blast from the Mind Gem and Thor going HAM to even start damaging him. And only once he was already damaged was Scarlet Witch able to use her psionic powers to pull out his "heart".
Bottomline: Since it was part Vibranium then we can't assume what durability it has without feats. It has no feats to suggest as durable as kryptonians.
Originally posted by h1a8
Those are conventional means. Thor's lighting has no considerable feats (it charged IM in one scene). It's repulsor is conventional. The Mind gem blast is conventional too based how it was damaging the clones (not impressed).Bottomline: Since it was part Vibranium then we can't assume what durability it has without feats. It has no feats to suggest as durable as kryptonians.
Pish. What BS. Thor's lightning punches holes through leviathans. Vision's mind gem easily cuts through cement. Taking a prolonged blast of Thor's lightning, Vision's blast and IM's repulsors AND not getting completely obliterated is a very high end durability feat.
WW wasn't exactly able to cut through DD like butter. She had to hack more than once at the same spot to take off his arm IIRC.
Not saying she won't cut through Ultron eventually, but it definitely won't be easy and she'll have to pick the right targets that aren't vibranium laced.
But even then, she still has no way to get through the Destroyer.