Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan was dodging Vitiate's lightning bolts, contending with strike teams, and fighting hordes of Mandalorians before his prime. He'll be fine, lmfao.That's because Vaapad is still based on Jedi lightsaber arts. Echani and Manalorian fighting styles aren't.
You understand that blocking/dodging projectiles when you are aware of where they will be beforehand does not make you equally as fast, correct?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's battle precognition is unique to him alone. Only he has mastered it to his pinnacle. Even the other Echani are awed by his skills. Revan's Force-based sense abilities are also galactic-spanning, so the combination should be brutal.
Quote that he mastered it to his pinnacle and that his senses span the Galaxy?
Originally posted by darthbane77
Revan's was special though, as Ant said. He was able to plan entire battles in advance with his precog.
And Sidious was able to plan entire Galactic events. It doesn't help you in a combative sense since a battle your personally engaged in is going to have constantly shifting outcomes based on your own actions during the fight.
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
But but..... Grievous beat Shaak Ti and she's one of the most powerful Jedi ever.
Grievous > Shaak Ti = Yoda Confirmed which means Grievous > Rots Palpatine.
Revan's ****ed
Grievous beat an exhausted Shaak along with multiple other Jedi. While I would say that indicates general superiority over her even if she was in a peak state that's hardly his best feat given he was overwhelming Kenobi's defenses and casually fending off 4 Jedi simultaneously thinking of the experience as "enjoyable." Then there's his fight against Windu.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You understand that blocking/dodging projectiles when you are aware of where they will be beforehand does not make you equally as fast, correct?
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Here:
"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."
―Brianna (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter. The greatest among the Echani are said to be able to read their opponent's moves so ell they can predict the path of a battle several seconds, sometimes even minutes in advance, by gauging their opponent's fighting style, heart rate, and there movements in combat. In many ways, the Echani see combat as a rapid dejarik game, calculating feints, attacks, and dodges with a speed that few can surpass... I always felt Revan was an incredible tactician, and the Echani were awed by his precog[nition] and natural skill with tactics."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And Sidious was able to plan entire Galactic events. It doesn't help you in a combative sense since a battle your personally engaged in is going to have constantly shifting outcomes based on your own actions during the fight.
One's Force based and aimed for peering into the future.
The other is tactical based and aimed for combat situations.
What did we talk about with you and debating stuff you don't know about?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah, but Revan's going be sensing Grievous' attacks too before they happen, so that point isn't relevant. Besides, it's still a very impressive feat, since the lightning feat was done with his senses hindered.---
Here:
"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."
―Brianna (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter. The greatest among the Echani are said to be able to read their opponent's moves so ell they can predict the path of a battle several seconds, sometimes even minutes in advance, by gauging their opponent's fighting style, heart rate, and there movements in combat. In many ways, the Echani see combat as a rapid dejarik game, calculating feints, attacks, and dodges with a speed that few can surpass... I always felt Revan was an incredible tactician, and the Echani were awed by his precog[nition] and natural skill with tactics."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
It's relevant because Grievous's attack isn't going to be a few projectiles flung at Revan but a constant assault.
Didn't Revan draw on both the Light and Darkside at the end of the novel. If the nexus was hindering the part of him that drew on the Light then why would it not also empower the part of him drawing on the Dark?
You gave me quotes stating that Echani employed their precognition in combat and were impressive tacticians and another that Revan was capable of defeating them because he had superior precog and tactics. Congrats. Now what does that have to do with how he'd perform against Grievous, a cyborg with a completely randomized fighting style capable of reading his own opponents fighting style in seconds?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Force foresight and battle precognition aren't remotely comparable abilities.One's Force based and aimed for peering into the future.
The other is tactical based and aimed for combat situations.
What did we talk about with you and debating stuff you don't know about?
So, you're saying that the knowledge to know about what's going to happen in the future isn't related in any way? Damn, you learn something new everyday.
I know that you claiming that Revan knowing exactly what's going to happen before it happens in combat is complete BS unless you can prove it.
Originally posted by darthbane77
He drew on both sides but he was aligned more with the light side, so he would have been hindered far more than any amp could cover; if he even was amped at all.
As far as I remember he was drawing on both the Light and Dark equally letting them flow through him like a channel. I'll find the quote though just in case.