Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nah. Maybe Saba and Zannah. How it would be if I remove Maul, btw? 🙂
Gallen/starkiller was still outmatched in lightsaber combat against Vader in TFUII and that was "shadow ofhis former self" Vader while Wrath is one of the best of his time but that's about it.
You can remove Maul if you wan't, I couldn't care less about it.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Gallen/starkiller was still outmatched in lightsaber combat against Vader in TFUII and that was "shadow ofhis former self" Vader while Wrath is one of the best of his time but that's about it.You can remove Maul if you wan't, I couldn't care less about it.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yeah...you know that Galen =/= Starkiller, or? 😬
Galen still has beaten/competed with/whatever Shaak Ti, pre-prime which is imo good enough to be in Tier 8.
Wrath bested Baras, who was seemingly the strongest of the Council at the time. So, yeah, he is Tier 8 as well.
Yeah I know, Galen at best can only equal Starkiller. Contending with Shaak isn't barely enough to put him on tier 8 especially after Gillard confirming it's only for the elite fighters of Star Wars.
Baras being the strongest of the council is nice but what is it going to do for him? At best being one of the best in a specific era, hardly enough to be put amongst the best of the best EVER.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Yeah I know, Galen at best can only equal Starkiller. Contending with Shaak isn't barely enough to put him on tier 8 especially after Gillard confirming it's only for the elite fighters of Star Wars.
Baras being the strongest of the council is nice but what is it going to do for him? At best being one of the best in a specific era, hardly enough to be put amongst the best of the best EVER.
There's so much wrong with this post but I have to get to class. Good luck Urs, if you need help I'll address this when I get back.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Maul's probably a mid-8 by SOD.
I said low-8.
Explains why Mace wasn't just blitzing him the way Palpatine blitzed the B-Team.
The actual explanation is that Mace isn't Palpatine, and Maul isn't the B-Team. Mace and Maul still inhabit the same tier--Mace is maybe one level above.. Palpatine is a solid two levels above the B-Team, and got the jump on them besides.
Also as Ant pointed out, Mace's borderline 8/9 could be a reference to Vapaad boosting him against Palpatine.
Sure, assuming that Nick knows or cares about Vaapad, which I'm inclined to believe he doesn't.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I said low-8.
Well given Gillard already confirmed to Ant that TPM Maul is an 8, I doubt SOD Maul would still be a Low-8.
But you're entitled to your take on it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The actual explanation is that Mace isn't Palpatine, and Maul isn't the B-Team. Mace and Maul still inhabit the same tier--Mace is maybe one level above.. Palpatine is a solid two levels above the
Which is basically what I said. The levels Gillard gave make sense out of those fights.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Sure, assuming that Nick knows or cares about Vaapad, which I'm inclined to believe he doesn't.
His levels applied to the films only. But he was implementing (in his own way) the sword fighting abilities of the characters to be displayed in the movie choreography, as ordered to him by Lucas.
When he said Mace is on the border of an 8 and 9, that probably came about from his discussions with Lucas, without him knowing or understanding what Vapaad is all about. Lucas could have just said something Akin to "Mace starts off this fight as a high 8, but ends it as a solid 9"
Again makes sense given how Mace was backing away defensively for the first act of the fight, then into the 2nd act fights back more as an equal.
Re: Candidates for Tier 8 combatants?
Originally posted by SunRazer😆-GTFO. nao.
So my candidates for tier 8 would be: Darth Vader, Rebels Ahsoka, RotJ Luke, Ven Zallow, Aryn Leneer, Darth Malgus, Sora Bulq, Darth Tenebrous, Jaina Solo, Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade Skywalker, Ulic Qel-Droma, the Hero of Tython, the Emperor's Wrath, Meetra Surik, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Savage Opress and Asajj Ventress.All of the notable Ancient Sith fit in here as well.
Originally posted by SunRazer😆-GTFO. nao.
So my candidates for tier 8 would be: Darth Vader, Rebels Ahsoka, RotJ Luke, Ven Zallow, Aryn Leneer, Darth Malgus, Sora Bulq, Darth Tenebrous, Jaina Solo, Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade Skywalker, Ulic Qel-Droma, the Hero of Tython, the Emperor's Wrath, Meetra Surik, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Savage Opress and Asajj Ventress.All of the notable Ancient Sith fit in here as well.
The Mace 8/9 thing probably refers to his skirting the edges of the Dark Side with his morals, and that he wouldn't have fought with such intensity against anyone other than Palpatine. So it's a matter of discussion whether or not he'd tap into that kind of intensity against, say, Dooku, or if he'd stay an 8.
Him saying Anakin is a clear 9 indicates to me that "Zonakin" is a state he'd be driven to in any given fight, which is cool.
Fisto being a 7 also makes sense and is cool.
In general though assigning numbers to people whose powers depend on their emotional state is a bit arbitrary.
In general assigning numbers to people is arbitrary period, lol.
Even if that's the case with Windu, he's still a High 8, which is very impressive anyway.
Also, if we assume normal Anakin is Zonakin in any given fight, and thus that Zonakin is a 9, Zonakin is inferior than some previously thought, because it would mean he's at best a good match for Yoda and not actually above him.
Originally posted by Petrus
Also, if we assume normal Anakin is Zonakin in any given fight, and thus that Zonakin is a 9, Zonakin is inferior than some previously thought, because it would mean he's at best a good match for Yoda and not actually above him.
Lol, and how do you figure that? All that's been said is that they're both 9s. People have yet to claim that Anakin's on a tier ahead of Yoda's.