Darth Vader vs. 20 elite sith assassins and Darth Sion

Originally posted by Nephthys
They're elite because it's stated that the best of the Sith forces were those on Malachor. The one's on Peragus aren't comparable. And besides, it's a plot point that the Sith Assassin's can vary in strength based on their opponents, growing stronger when near strong force users. And the whole point of the comparison is that Vader may not be far more powerful than them, or more at all.

Kotor II Exile is a beast, so that's hardly proof of inadequacy.

Yeah, how many times have 'elite soldiers/assassins/etc' been obliterated by actually powerful Force-users? The fact they're 'elite' means very little when it comes to Vader, who's above Traya and even farther above Meetra.

And sure, it's stated that the best Sith force were stationed at Malachor, but the Sith Assassins you face in Peragus are still 'highly trained combatants who murdered Jedi'. Peragus Meetra still stomped them. Peragus Meetra is only barely regaining her connection to the Force, so she's no beast. And beast or not, no iteration of Meetra comes close to Vader, so it is proof of inadequacy.

Saying Vader may not be more powerful than them is ridiculous because Vader is above Meetra, who has repeatedly stomped these Sith Assassins with ease.

What, you mean near 20 of them at once with a single attack, easily and without even looking at them?

Pretty sure it happened once. By Traya. 🙂

You're just saying Vader > Traya. The whole point of the discussion is whether that is accurate based on the new comparison's made because of this feat. So please stop being silly and saying pointless things.

Yawn, as I said their connection of the force is based on their opponents so Meetra barely having a connection would mean similar for herself. And Meetra was trained to be an exemplary Jedi and had Kreia and Atton with her as well as the benefit of her force bonds.

Yet again you are saying useless words about Vader being sooo much better than everyone. It's so useless. Useless useless useless!

It's like adding the word elite to describe someone is pointless without feats to back it up

It was my understand that those "elite" Sith assassins were the Academy's fodder, not comparable to those wielding lightsabers. Vader legitimately pulverising them in waves is more than a possibility.

Compared to Suirk.

Although really, if taking into account the trailer or intro w/e it is for Kotor 2, it's shown that it takes groups of Assassins just to kill 1 Jedi Knight.

https://j.gifs.com/ERk9Q4.gif

Originally posted by Nephthys
What, you mean near 20 of them at once with a single attack, easily and without even looking at them?

Pretty sure it happened once. By Traya. 🙂

You're just saying Vader > Traya. The whole point of the discussion is whether that is accurate based on the new comparison's made because of this feat. So please stop being silly and saying pointless things.

Yawn, as I said their connection of the force is based on their opponents so Meetra barely having a connection would mean similar for herself. And Meetra was trained to be an exemplary Jedi and had Kreia and Atton with her as well as the benefit of her force bonds.

Yet again you are saying useless words about Vader being sooo much better than everyone. It's so useless. Useless useless useless!

Okay, let's put this into perspective. By comparison, Meetra shat on the Sith inside the Academy, who were all supposed to be powerful an elite. She did so on her own, without the aid of her companions. At times, she stomped more than 6 simultaneously. Are these Sith superior to the Sith Assassins or are they inferior? Or are they comparable?

Of course I'm saying Vader > Traya because I'm questioning how this new comparison is even relevant, as it changes nothing. Traya's TK wasn't good enough to kill Meetra on the spot as she did with the assassins. This pretty much means the assassins are fodder.

Wait, so the assassins' strength is entirely based on their opponents' strength? So, basically, all their impeccable training was for nothing? Or how does it work?

Sure, Meetra was accompanied by Atton and Kreia at that one time. One way or another, Meetra slaughters these 'elite' assassins every single time she faces them. And people like Atton and your other companions are capable of defeating them. Them being 'elite' really doesn't mean anything other than them being capable of committing sneaky murders of random, featless Jedi.

Ur useless!

@zen: Could have been a powerful Jedi Master, tbh.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Compared to Suirk.

Although really, if taking into account the trailer or intro w/e it is for Kotor 2, it's shown that it takes groups of Assassins just to kill 1 Jedi Knight.

https://j.gifs.com/ERk9Q4.gif

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@zen: Could have been a powerful Jedi Master, tbh.

The Masters were identified as having those different style of robes, that one didn't.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well they always strike in hordes and the ones that attacked Traya weren't even equipped with lightsabers. If they weren't deemed worthy of a lightsaber how can they possibly be considered "elite"?

You know it occurs to me...they are elite, yet they attack in groups?...

Soo....if takes a group of elite Sith Assassins to kill a single Jedi, then wouldn't this mean that the Elite part isn't all that great?

That it takes a group just to be on the level of a Jedi?

So then a single Sith Assassin wouldn't be worth much then.

Exactly. 👆

I also got the impression that their ability to siphon the power of their opponents to increase their own was a means of compensating.

What statement about them says that were "elite" Sith assassins and were the best of the Sith forces?

Originally posted by Zenwolf

Although really, if taking into account the trailer or intro w/e it is for Kotor 2, it's shown that it takes groups of Assassins just to kill 1 Jedi Knight.

https://j.gifs.com/ERk9Q4.gif

Nothing suggests that the entire team was required at the minimum to beat 1 Jedi

Originally posted by GhostRavage
What statement about them says that were "elite" Sith assassins and were the best of the Sith forces?

All of the Sith on Malachor V were among of the strongest of their time.

"Trayus Academy is the home of those Jedi who have succumbed the to dark side taint of Malachor V. To reach the structure's core, where Darth Sion and Kreia await, you must face a legion of elite Sith single-handedly.

...

Only by fighting your way through the Sith's strongest guardians can you earn the right to confront your nemesis."

―Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide

The sith in Kotor 2 were a great threat to the Jedi Order.

[3:57] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EtByaOxiwE

Kavar: "What's worse, is these Sith that we face... I fear that they have learned the lesson of Malachor all too well. It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near."

Vrook: "Somehow, they have learned their hunger from you. And so you have brought about the end of the Jedi, and perhaps all the knowledge of the Force."

They come from an Era in which the Jedi and Dark Jedi are in their combative prime:

"The many wars of this era compel large numbers of Jedi to become experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat. Some become masters on the battlefield; others become highly skilled duelists, able to battle dark Jedi and Sith in single combat."

"The Sith students of Darth Revan and Darth Malak are many of the same Jedi Crusaders that once fought for the republic. Already proficient in the Jedi arts, these marauders acquire new nefarious talents studying at the feet of Headmaster Jorak Uln - one of Exar Kun's original Sith acolytes.

During the Dark Wars, surviving Sith students submit to the triumvirate."

―Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide