Mauvais(Wendigo), Red Hulk(loeb), & Death Sentry vs King Thor, King Hyperion, Walker

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The Void wasn't a power...

The Void was Robert Reynolds believing himself as an entity called the Void during his schizophrenia crisis thus making the hallucination real through his reality warping powers.

The Sentry is a creation of Robert Reynolds to counter himself when he goes nuts.

Now, Robert isn't schizophrenic anymore as the Death Seed changed his persona into the one of the Horseman of Death and he lost his agoraphobia while he was "dead" inside the Sun.

In short, Sentry former weaknesses disappeared making him stable all the time and morals off all the time.

Thus meaning that he has full access to his powers.

Void was a personality that was distinct with different abilities. He lost a part of himself. When siege occurred he was in his full void form. Again you CANNOT say for a fact he still retained all his powers and abilities if a portion of him was removed. He treated as a seperate entity descriping how it left him

The rest of your post was fluff that had no bearing

As he says he finally died when the void left him and went to the white hot room

Originally posted by tkitna
He treated Thor like a red headed step child (twice), displayed extreme TK and matter manipulation abilities, provided proof that he was beyond physical harm, and showcased strength that was at least equal to or above every Marvel earth bound hero combined. Thats about the extent of his showing.

Yea. I remember all that. Thanks. Thought i missed something

Originally posted by -K-M-
[B]Void was a personality that was distinct with different abilities.

Void is Robert believing himself as another entity.

The power-set doesn't change whatever the shape Robert chose to take.

He lost a part of himself.

Wrong. He stopped being schizophrenic with the Death Seed.

The power-set still remains the ability to shape the reality to his whims.

When siege occurred he was in his full void form.

Wrong. He became Sentroïd, an entity composed of the Sentry and the Void.

Again you CANNOT say for a fact he still retained all his powers and abilities if a portion of him was removed.

I can say it because the Void has never been a true being.

It was just a form that Robert took with his reality warping abilities.

He treated as a separate entity describing how it left him

*sigh*

Yeah. And kids threats their imaginary friends as separate entities, it doesn't make the stuff real once they stop believing in it.

The rest of your post was fluff that had no bearing

The rest of my post is how the things are to Robert Reynolds.

As he says he finally died when the void left him and went to the white hot room

The Void is an imaginary entity in the first place.

If Robert believed that he was Santa Claus and later than Santa Claus left him to go to the White Hot Room it doesn't make Santa Claus real in the first place.

Haha what? So we have confirmation he lost a part of himself. Robert directly saying void left him and that's why he could finally die. but nope not enough evidence he lost a part of himself

Also yes he had distinct abilities in different personalities this is not a new concept. See thphoid Mary, legion, Aurora and many others. Did we see sentry using tendrils or fear powers in his Robert form? No. It's all the same person but his different personalities brought out different aspects of himself and other abilities. Now that one aspect which was a huge part of him was removed which finally let him die somehow means we can say for certain he retains all his abilities is false. This is very basic stuff

So power level never changed? How do you explain sentrys low showings such as against the mutant hicks, getting knocked out by the Empire State Building, knocked out by the CAP robot, etc

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha what? So we have confirmation he lost a part of himself. Robert directly saying void left him and that's why he could finally die. but nope not enough evidence he lost a part of himself

Also yes he had distinct abilities in different personalities this is not a new concept. See thphoid Mary, legion, Aurora and many others. Did we see sentry using tendrils or fear powers in his Robert form? No. It's all the same person but his different personalities brought out different aspects of himself and other abilities. Now that one aspect which was a huge part of him was removed which finally let him die somehow means we can say for certain he retains all his abilities is false. This is very basic stuff

So power level never changed? How do you explain sentrys low showings such as against the mutant hicks, getting knocked out by the Empire State Building, knocked out by the CAP robot, etc

I have to disagree with you. The Sentry and the Void are all Bob. The Void was was the persona of Reynolds when it all became to much and he could finally let his guard down without consciously being responsible (and he always still even fought that). The guy was a schizo and the Void was his bad personality. As for the tentacles and so forth, the Void took many shapes (a person, a dinosaur looking being, a crab like scarab, etc,,). It doesnt really matter. Hell, the Sentry himself is probably a psionic shell. When he supposedly dies, he just pops back into reality. As for the low showings, like I said, Bob was always afraid to cut loose and constantly neutered himself so that makes sense.

That was then. How many times did sentrys origins get retconned? Here he ststes clear as day the void left him. Not sure how this is even being debated of a portion of himself was removed and again allowed him to finally die can you people state for a fact he retained all his abilities in death sentry. You can't

They were both one in the same but his mindset brought about different abilities and aspects. Again fact. Not a new concept in marvel. Look at hulk. Different personalities of hulk brought out different levels of strength. Mr fix it is not the same as World breaker hulk now is he? The void tapped into his darker powers and was a huge part of him and now it was fully removed. How can you state he is the same sentry as before. You can't

Look at legion. When his various personalities were removed he lost the powers and abilities that specific personality possessed

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha what? So we have confirmation he lost a part of himself. Robert directly saying void left him and that's why he could finally die. but nope not enough evidence he lost a part of himself

Void is Robert believing himself as another entity.

The power-set doesn't change whatever the shape Robert chose to take.

Also yes he had distinct abilities in different personalities this is not a new concept. See thphoid Mary, legion, Aurora and many others. Did we see sentry using tendrils or fear powers in his Robert form? No.

He used tendrils as Death Sentry which crumble your theory.

And again:

Robert Reynolds power-set doesn't change, it's still the power to change the reality.

Typhoid Mary is a bad example.

She is a case of multiple personality disorder while Sentry was a schyzophrenic paranoïd.

Here for for Mary:

Mary has a dual personality.

Here for Robert Reynolds:

Robert is a paranoid schizophrenic whose axis two suggest a premorbid shyzotipal personality disorder. He also suffer from agoraphobia and generalized anxiety disorder

All of those mental weaknesses are gone which make Sentry far more powerful than he was.

His power-set has never changed.

It's all the same person but his different personalities brought out different aspects of himself and other abilities. Now that one aspect which was a huge part of him was removed which finally let him die somehow means we can say for certain he retains all his abilities is false. This is very basic stuff

You are making a definist fallacy as you try to redefine Robert's psychology as being the same thing than Typhoid Mary psychology.

Moreover they have two completely different power-set.

In conclusion, Robert lost his psychological issues.

So power level never changed?

It never changed, Sentry has still a limitless power-level and the ability to do everything.

How do you explain sentrys low showings such as against the mutant hicks

English please.

getting knocked out by the Empire State Building

Everybody was knocked-out by the Empire State Building.

"Damage Control" is a joke comic book and nothing in it has to be taken seriously.

knocked out by the CAP robot, etc

1) We know that Sentry weakens when he is unstable.

Sentry powers fluctuated all the time during Bendis'.

2) The CAP Robot was extremely powerful and they needed a Galactus Killer to stop him.

3) Sentry wasn't aware of his ability to manipulate the reality before Dark Avengers and promised to Osborn not to use it after.

That's a lot of points your oblivious about.

Is that possible that you take some information before using pseudo-arguments that have been debunked one billion times ?

Please.

Originally posted by -K-M-
[B]That was then. How many times did sentrys origins get retconned? Here he ststes clear as day the void left him. Not sure how this is even being debated of a portion of himself was removed and again allowed him to finally die can you people state for a fact he retained all his abilities in death sentry. You can't

I've already answered to this.

They were both one in the same but his mindset brought about different abilities and aspects. Again fact.

I've already answered to this.

Not a new concept in marvel.

Yes it is and I've already explained why.

Look at hulk. Different personalities of hulk brought out different levels of strength.

Typhoid Mary and Hulk have similar psychological issues as a Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Sentry is schizophrenic.

That's two completely different psychological diseases.

It's like you are saying that AIDS and cancer are the same thing...

Mr fix it is not the same as World breaker hulk now is he?

Look above.

The void tapped into his darker powers and was a huge part of him and now it was fully removed.

Fairy Tale.

I debunked this above.

How can you state he is the same sentry as before. You can't

Look at legion. When his various personalities were removed he lost the powers and abilities that specific personality possessed

Legion, Typhoid Mary and Hulk have similar psychological issues as a Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Sentry is schizophrenic.

That's two completely different psychological diseases.

It's like you are saying that AIDS and cancer are the same thing...

Literally nothing you posted says otherwise. Nothing

I'm saying since he lost the Void aspect which was a HUGE component of his personality. Hell as he says once he lost the Void he finally could die. If he was the one and the same when the Void left him why didnt he save himself? As he said he treated him as a sepeate entity. That's the most current up to date statement.

Even Bendis who retooled sentry stated he clearly showed sentry and the void were different entities as duel personalities. Even after he revealed they were one in the same. Just different components of a single entity.

Also you do realize technically even Hulk would fall under the definition of schizophrenic same for Mary. People can have multiple disorders...

"Also called dementia praecox. a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations. " They sufferer from many of this symptons same for Legion, Moon Knight and others.

Reply if you want but Im done I think it's pretty clear. If a large piece of him was removed, a piece that allowed him to finally die you cant state for a fact he was the same sentry.

Forum rules state all the Sentries are different. Ergo, no carrying over.

Originally posted by -K-M-
[B]Literally nothing you posted says otherwise. Nothing

Willfull ignorance + handwaving.

I'm saying since he lost the Void aspect which was a HUGE component of his personality.

Wrong.

It was a symptom of his mental issues.

Hell as he says once he lost the Void he finally could die.

That's metaphorical as the Void is an imaginary character by definition.

If he was the one and the same when the Void left him why didnt he save himself? As he said he treated him as a sepeate entity. That's the most current up to date statement.

He just don't know what the Death Seed did to him.

Even Bendis who retooled sentry stated he clearly showed sentry and the void were different entities.

I've already explained that above.

Even after he revealed they were one in the same. Just different components of a single entity.

The Void is a simple delusion.

Sentry is Robert in his Batman's costume.

Also you do realize technically even Hulk would fall under the definition of schizophrenic same for Mary.

Wrong for both.

People can have multiple disorders...

Yeah. Hulk and Mary aren't schizophrenic so stop redefining the characters once you are caught pulling arguments out-fo-your-ass.

"Also called dementia praecox. a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations. " They sufferer from many of this symptons same for Legion, Moon Knight and others.

That's not the way they are defined in the comic book so that's clearly another Argumentum Ex Culo from yourself.

You are just trying unsuccessfully to move the topic because you are out-of-argument.

Reply if you want but Im done I think it's pretty clear.

Yes it's pretty clear.

If a large piece of him was removed, a piece that allowed him to finally die you cant state for a fact he was the same sentry.

*sigh*

Metaphorical.

Imaginary character because it's a delusion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Forum rules state all the Sentries are different. Ergo, no carrying over.

Marvel states they aren't. Ergo no carrying over.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Forum rules state all the Sentries are different. Ergo, no carrying over.

"Sentry is Sentry" 😖hifty:

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Marvel states they aren't. Ergo no carrying over.

No carrying over it is then! DS sentry does not have Voidtry etc feats...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Sentry is Sentry" 😖hifty:

The point I want to bring about Sentry is that it's completely illogical to use his showings when he is unstable (Agoraphobic) as it lowers his power.

Nobody here uses the moments when Superman is Kryptonite poisoned so it makes no sense to do the same for Sentry.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No carrying over it is then! DS sentry does not have Voidtry etc feats...

DS Sentry doesn't have the psychological limitations of the others. That's the point why the character is more powerful than he was, because he lost those limitations.

I can agree with not using Void feats if we use Sentry and vice-versa but the power-level remains the same.

DS Sentry on the other hand, doesn't limit himself to roleplaying the Good or the Bad Guy.

He is the Ugly Deat Sentry whom will fully uses his powers and put the shit out of everyone.

Lmao called it