Darth Vader vs. Darth Nox and Emperor's Wrath II

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If we accept that the Agent took out Jadus why would we have such a problem excepting he could do the same to Arcann with a buff from Valkorian?

Because he didn't really take out Jadus? It was circumstantial; on a clean 1v1 we all know Jadus would wipe the floor with Cipher. And it would be ludicrous to assume a non-sensitive would be able to do everything the protag does in KotFE and consider their version canon.

What were the circumstances?

The plan was always to trap him in order to control him, because they knew he couldn't be defeated in a straight up fight. You think the Agent would be able to take 1v1 a Sith who's power is 'second only to the Emperor'?

Without the cool tricks at his disposal [neutral terrain, say, Dantooine], Cipher wouldn't have survived the encounter.

But that's not what's being discussed here. Answer honestly: you truly think the Void/Trooper/Cipher/Champ are suitable protags for KotFE? Or that they make a little bit of sense?

The fact that the devs stated they wouldn't canonize a character for KotFE doesn't mean all the 8 classes make sense or fit accurately in the story. There are obvious loopholes, like the one I previously mentioned for Nox. Besides, why would they choose to make the JK the protag of the trailer, out of all 8?

What were his cool tricks? I need to know the specific circumstances

It's not my job to assess what makes sense. It's my job to warp my perception based on what is presented/stated by the game makers.

They trapped him in a forcefield.

Lmfao wtf?

Wrath is a better duelist than Vader, there's no question about it. It's so damned obvious I won't be going as low as to try to argue something such obvious.

The same goes for Nox's superiority as Force wielder.

Vader can beat Wrath in Force only, or Nox in sabers only, but there's no way he can win 1/10 against two at once.

I know Ellimist must have done that as a troll thread, but... so many people really falling for that bait?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What were his cool tricks? I need to know the specific circumstances

It's not my job to assess what makes sense. It's my job to warp my perception based on what is presented/stated by the game makers.

He hacked the computers in the bridge to trap Jadus under a powerful force-field. That's how he's defeated.

Okay, what's presented by the game makers is the JK as the protag in the KotFE trailer. And it doesn't make sense to assume all 8 classes are canon. So what's the conclusion?

Why didn't he just teleport out?

Zoltan says that the game makers have not officially canonized a certain path so until they make a statement on the matter they're all equally valid.

The makers have outright stated they're all equally valid? Or is that Zoltan's assumption?

So if the Outlander is the Jedi Knight then Nox must be... dead? So much for immortality. 🙂

I'm trusting that Zoltan isn't making up sources like AP.

It has been stated by the devs that no one class is "canon", however that was before KotFE.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So if the Outlander is the Jedi Knight then Nox must be... dead? So much for immortality. 🙂

I don't believe it's confirmed the other classes are dead in KotFE.

If it were that would be an appalling slap in the face imo.

If the Outlander is the galaxy's last hope/only one who can defeat the Emperor, they must be, too bad.

That isn't remotely true.

Dry those tears, they were never getting endings anyway.

On topic I reckon Vader can takes sabers and all-out with great difficulty.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It has been stated by the devs that no one class is "canon", however that was before KotFE.

If they've made no other contradicting statements then I see no reason to disregard their prior statements.

Quite, and let's be honest if the devs were asked of course they wouldn't say the JK story is canon, invalidating the other paths.

Fact is KotFE is an all encompassing story that just so happens to fit the JK best, nothing more.

Well they wouldn't say it's canon more likely so that fans of particular paths wouldn't be alienated and they could still bring in dat paper.

Regardless of their reasons though we have to accept their stances.