Dave Filoni on Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Vader / The Emperor

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Filoni has never wrote combat on a dark side nexus. 😕

EDIT: My mistake, technically he wrote the script for SoD, in which Talzin is noted to be empowered.

And Ventress vs Grievous on Dathomir.

He said Ventress beats Grievous simply because she's more capable, and makes no note of the Nexus. When in fact if you take the Nexus into account, Grievous probably comes out looking better.

The fact that it's a empowering nexus being a integral part of Dark Disciple, which Filoni was also involved in. But yeah, Ventress would probably beat him off-nexus as well, because she is just better.

That said it doesn't really matter, we know that nexuses amp Sith (and weaken Jedi) in Canon, end of story tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The fact that it's a empowering nexus being a integral part of Dark Disciple, which Filoni was also involved in. But yeah, Ventress would probably beat him off-nexus as well, because she is just better.

That said it doesn't really matter, we know that nexuses amp Sith (and weaken Jedi) in Canon, end of story tbh.

I'll accept it so I can wank Ezra 😉

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The fact that it's a empowering nexus being a integral part of Dark Disciple, which Filoni was also involved in.

Which is my point- Filoni tends to ignore DS Nexus's when it comes to Lightsaber combat.

I mean he had Vader beating Ahsoka, but Ahsoka putting up a fight (as he always said it would go down), but seems to have completely ignored that it was a Nexus favoring Vader.

You're only assuming that because you think Grievous wouldn't lose to Ventress off of a nexus. All it means is he didn't believe the nexus was instrumental in Ventress' victory, which is probably because it wasn't.

And there are degrees at to how much one can put up a fight, so I don't see your point there.

Regardless again, it doesn't matter. Not that your assumptions on what Filoni thinks mattered in the first place.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The helicopters are stupid tbh, but the reasoning that with a nexus they could perform helicopter assisted Force flight actually makes sense.

EDIT: Assuming of course that's what Gilroy was implying.

What? No it doesn't, it'd make a hell of a lot more sense if it was just a lightsaber feature.

Not when they move at such accelerated speeds that its illogical the lightsaber could accomplish alone tbh. And frankly, a spinny lightsaber shouldn't be capable of lifting them off the ground by itself, otherwise they'd be pulled into the air every time they turned it on.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not when they move at such accelerated speeds that its illogical a spinny lightsaber could accomplish alone tbh.

Yeah, cause SW is all about logic.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I see Filoni strikes again.

FYI Quanchi has always clung to author statements. Every Mace vs anyone threads he continuously brought up Lucas's line of how the scene began with Mace overpowering Sidious.

He's only recently rejected author statements after pretty much everyone working on Rebels have confirmed Vader > Maul LOL

I agree with this. The authors/creators describing a particular scene/fight is of more relevance then when they're just randomly spewing stuff out, and the exact context isn't completely clear. For example, Filoni said once "no one can compete with this guy" (referring to Sidious). But I doubt anyone actually believes he truly meant NO ONE can compete with him including Yoda and Mace.

But I also think something they've drilled into our heads again and again, through character statements and creator statements i.e. Vader > Maul is pretty damn reliable as evidence.

Now if Filoni keeps repeating that No One can fight Ahsoka except Vader/Sidious, or if he just outright states Ahsoka > Maul, then that will be different. As of now though, I'd just ignore it until more statements or some actual evidence presents itself to support that idea.

And once again you ignore their statements and confirm your own retarded bias once again. The story has never supported Vader beating Maul. You ignore this and the fact Tano hurt Vader. She competed with Vader. Vader never once critically wounded her. Maul took her on and she didn't critically wound Maul either. Quit ignoring the evidence and cherry picking certain random statements while ignoring other ones. Your bias is clearly showing.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah, cause SW is all about logic.

You crack me up Wolf.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A dispicable sacrifice.

That's the strangest confirmation of dark side nexus I ever heard of.

Filoni tends to ignore Dark Side nexus's when it comes to combat anyway.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
>Balks at an explanation because apparently its illogical
>Is told why its logical
>Denies the argument on the basis SW has no logic

You crack me up Wolf.

The logic is stupid, I never denied it just that it's dumb. It'd make more sense for it to be a lightsaber feature, than some nexus having anything to do with it. But if they really wanna go with that, whatever.

The funny thing is, Gilroy doesn't even say Malachor V is a nexus... Now it is likely that Malachor V is a nexus but most of us have realized that from the start. Nor does it really change the feat. We simply don't know to what extent it amped Vader. The amp may have been virtually non-existent or it could have been extreme all it really does is render the feat nearly unusable for Vader.

*Malachor

But I don't think anyone is arguing that it negates Vader's performance. Not when Filoni has stated that Vader would defeat Ahsoka full stop. However evidently it wasn't virtually non-existent if the Inquisitors were empowered by it, and Vader fought Ahsoka at the temple's apex, a boost to Vader's strength can easily be inferred. Personally though I think it has more bearing on further establishing Ahsoka's parity with Rebels Maul, and potential superiority to SoD or at least TPM Maul.

It also provides a more plausible explanation for why the Inquisitors performed abnormally well in that episode.

We don't know if the Inqusitors were empowered by it though. All Gilroy states is that the flight is caused by the temple or something which may or may not be because of a nexus. It makes absolutely no sense either way.

And while a boost can perhaps be inferred for both Vader or Maul, to what extent it boosts them can not.

I can't think of another explanation tbh, and as Nova said, it hardly makes sense for it not to be a nexus. By I will concede that we don't know much at this point.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You're only assuming that because you think Grievous wouldn't lose to Ventress off of a nexus.

No I'm assuming that because even on the DS nexus, Ventress did seem to struggle, and even got put on her ass at one point.

It's only reasonable to assume from that that there would at least be a much closer level of parity between them off the DS Nexus.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
All it means is he didn't believe the nexus was instrumental in Ventress' victory, which is probably because it wasn't.

Like I said, he tends to ignore DS Nexus's. The fact that DD goes on about how strong the DS is there, and Filoni just completely ignores that in his commentary and in the fight choreography just reinforces that point Imo.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And there are degrees at to how much one can put up a fight, so I don't see your point there.

Of course, but like Ares said, it all depends on the strength of the DS Nexus.

As far as the Vader vs Ahsoka fight went though, it was pretty much how Filoni always said it would go, and there seems to have been zero thought about it being a DS Nexus in designing that fight choreography.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless again, it doesn't matter. Not that your assumptions on what Filoni thinks mattered in the first place.

Well this whole conversation has come from a guy giving an explanation as to how the Sith Temple might influence a dark siders abilities as his no.2 explanation. His no.1 go to response was "ask Filoni".

So I'm just pointing out that Filoni doesn't seem to have these DS Nexus's influence his Saber fights. In fact he even says in the SW.COM interview that the story group let him do the Ahsoka vs Vader fight just as he always imagined it.

I doubt he always imagined it happening on a DS Nexus.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I can't think of another explanation tbh, and as Nova said, it hardly makes sense for it not to be a nexus. By I will concede that we don't know much at this point.

Perhaps there's something darkside in the air currents LOL

I'm seeing a contradiction here though Thor, you say that Filoni didn't acknowledge the Dathomir fight, yet you acknowledge it. Why apply a different set of rules here?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Perhaps there's something darkside in the air currents LOL