Loses at Bane or clears. No character in this gauntlet, besides Darth Bane probably, has the potential, raw power or skill to defeat Kylo. From blocking lightsaber strikes with the Force while extremely injured to slaughtering Luke's Order, it doesn't matter how you look at it, it's better then anyone in this gauntlet can do (again besides Bane).
Originally posted by Zenwolf
How is killing Luke's Order great, when we know nothing of them? Nor if there's any context?
We know that Kylo's skill with a lightsaber was responsible for it and he only had the Knights of Ren as back-up. Looking at the, probably two dozen, students he slaughtered, it weren't nobody's, Luke had to choose these student who would become the fundation of the New Jedi Order so he's logically going to pick the best of the best. Compare it with the New Jedi Order in Legends, characters like Kyp Durron or Kyle Katarn where amongst the first trained by Luke after the destruction of the Empire and they became the very elite Jedi of this Order. So, even though we know almost nothing about the feat or those who participated in it, we can still get a pretty good idea of how impressive this is.
EDIT: I'm just rewatching the Force Awakens and now I see the flashback scene again, well it are definitely more then two dozen students, more like 3 to 4 dozen.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
We know that Kylo's skill with a lightsaber was responsible for it and he only had the Knights of Ren as back-up. Looking at the, probably two dozen, students he slaughtered, it weren't nobody's, Luke had to choose these student who would become the fundation of the New Jedi Order so he's logically going to pick the best of the best. Compare it with the New Jedi Order in Legends, characters like Kyp Durron or Kyle Katarn where amongst the first trained by Luke after the destruction of the Empire and they became the very elite Jedi of this Order. So, even though we know almost nothing about the feat or those who participated in it, we can still get a pretty good idea of how impressive this is.
He has to pick the best of the best?...Best of what? I mean I guess you could say he found those with strong Force connections, but we don't know what their training was, if any of them had lightsabers or anything like that.
I'm not knocking the feat, but I don't see this as among Kylo's most impressive feats when we know next to nothing about it.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
He has to pick the best of the best?...Best of what? I mean I guess you could say he found those with strong Force connections, but we don't know what their training was, if any of them had lightsabers or anything like that.I'm not knocking the feat, but I don't see this as among Kylo's most impressive feats when we know next to nothing about it.
We actually know very well that they had lightsabers (the flashback scene in TFA shows it to us) and we also know from Bloodlline that Kylo/Ben was studying under Luke until he was 24 years old so that should make the other student roughly the same age (or at least a big part of the students) which is normally the age Padawans start to become Knights.
When looking at the training they received, if Luke by Return of the Jedi was worthy of being a Jedi Knight capable of challeging Vader then I think a far more knowledgeable Luke would be capable of training his students ot the same extent (-> Jedi Knight level at least).
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
We actually know very well that they had lightsabers (the flashback scene in TFA shows it to us) and we also know from Bloodlline that Kylo/Ben was studying under Luke until he was 24 years old so that should make the other student roughly the same age (or at least a big part of the students) which is normally the age Padawans start to become Knights.When looking at the training they received, if Luke by Return of the Jedi was worthy of being a Jedi Knight capable of challeging Vader then I think a far more knowledgeable Luke would be capable of training his students ot the same extent (-> Jedi Knight level at least).
Hm, guess I missed the lightsabers in the scene.
Does it say when Kylo started his training?
In Canon is it noted that Luke could challenge Vader? I know Legends did.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kylo beat the Canon version of Luke's Jedi Order. Kylo > Kyp. Kylo clears. 🙂
This kinda arbitrary, and baseless speculation makes me near suicidal, I swear. I doubt JJ and co. even read much of the NJO, let alone authorially, meant for Luke's best in the Disney canon, to be to have analogous power/skill level of their Legends counterpart.
I mean, holy shit DD9. 😬
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Hm, guess I missed the lightsabers in the scene.Does it say when Kylo started his training?
In Canon is it noted that Luke could challenge Vader? I know Legends did.
You have to look very good but it's there.
No not exactly, only that he started at a young age.
Hmm I think the (movie) fight in general makes it pretty clear and the novel also confirms it.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloI dunno man, Kylo seems a lot like Caedus, and Caedus > Kyp. ✅
This kinda arbitrary, and baseless speculation makes me near suicidal, I swear. I doubt JJ and co. even read much of the NJO, let alone authorially, meant for Luke's best in the Disney canon, to be to have analogous power/skill level of their Legends counterpart.I mean, holy shit DD9. 😬
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
This kinda arbitrary, and baseless speculation makes me near suicidal, I swear. I doubt JJ and co. even read much of the NJO, let alone authorially, meant for Luke's best in the Disney canon, to be to have analogous power/skill level of their Legends counterpart.I mean, holy shit DD9. 😬
Wait a minute, I didn't say that Kylo >= Kyp... I used the Kyp example to show that Luke's first students are chosen carefully and should become the best of the Jedi Order.