Sasuke and Itachi vs Kenshiro

Started by KingD193 pages

Never said Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi. Itachi can use it, and Sasuke can kill Ken while he's trapped. Tsukuyomi then Amaterasu = Cremated Kenshiro.

Tsukuyomi only requires you to have eyes and a brain. Ken can still see can't he? Still think? Then it works on him unless you have evidence that an eyesight based illusion won't work.

How can he come up with a counter if he's stuck in Itachi's unbreakable(by canon) genjutsu? If I said they could just punch him in the face, you'd say no because by canon, Muso Tensei means they can't touch him. The only counter is to close his eyes. Because if the extremely powerful ninjas of Naruto never found a way to counter it, and the creator says the only way to stop it is be an Uchiha with a strong enough Sharingan basically, Ken is doomed. Because he is not that, so no matter what technique he has, it won't work.

Burden of proof is on you to show Muso Tensei can stop a canonically instant, and unstoppable illusion as long as eye contact is established.

I see your game though, you claim Ken is unstoppable while downplaying others. You say, "Ken can do this with that", and then you say, "But these guys can't do this."

For example -

Me: Tsukuyomi only needs eye contact, is instant, is unbreakable unless you're a fellow Uchiha, etc..
You: Nah, doesn't work. On the off chance it works, he can counter it, despite being stuck in an unbreakable illusory nightmare world.

PART 1/2

Originally posted by KingD19
Never said Sasuke uses Tsukuyomi. Itachi can use it, and Sasuke can kill Ken while he's trapped. Tsukuyomi then Amaterasu = Cremated Kenshiro.

Ways to counter that:

For both:

A) Muso Tensei (that will be my first answer for any technique your team uses)

For Tsukuyomi:

B) Closing his eyes. It has been said already and Kenshiro can fight the same way than Shuu do.

C) Absorbing their Chi via an Hokuto Ryuuken technique. The Tsuyukomi requires massive amounts of Chakra (which is a combination of Spiritual (Chi / Ki) and physical energies).

For Amaterasu:

D) Kenshiro can send it back to the user via punching.

C) I'm pretty certain that the power of his Ki-Aura will prevent most damages as Kenshiro was attacked by two Flamethrowers Tanks and walked through the flames unharmed, even his clothes.

Tsukuyomi only requires you to have eyes and a brain. Ken can still see can't he? Still think? Then it works on him unless you have evidence that an eyesight based illusion won't work.

Muso Tensei ignores any technique used.

Also Kenshiro countered Shuu's Illusionary Palm.

How can he come up with a counter if he's stuck in Itachi's unbreakable(by canon) genjutsu?

I'm repeating myself but:

*Muso Tensei*
*New Techniques on the fly*

It is clearly say in the manga that the Hokuto Shinken has infinite variations.

If I said they could just punch him in the face, you'd say no because by canon, Muso Tensei means they can't touch him.

Exactly, and you keep ignoring the power of the Muso Tensei.

The only counter is to close his eyes.

You see, that's simple.

PART 2/2
Kenshiro can do that easily.

Because if the extremely powerful ninjas of Naruto never found a way to counter it, and the creator says the only way to stop it is be an Uchiha with a strong enough Sharingan basically, Ken is doomed. Because he is not that, so no matter what technique he has, it won't work.

The nature of the Hokuto Shinken will allow him to counter it.

The Muso Tensei, by itself, is the ultimate technique that allows him to counter his enemies attacks.

Burden of proof is on you to show Muso Tensei can stop a canonically instant, and unstoppable illusion as long as eye contact is established.

I've already posted Raoh's word about the Muso Tensei, when he say that the techniques are now useless because him and Kenshiro mastered it.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Jutsu

"Jutsu (術, Literally meaning: skills/techniques) are the mystical arts a ninja will utilise in battle. To use a technique, the ninja will need to use their chakra. To perform a technique, the ninja will bring out and release the two energies of chakra. By forming hand seals, the ninja is able to manifest the desired technique. Because of the extensive number of hand seals and different combinations, there are thousands of potential techniques to be discovered. "

The definition of what is a technique is quite large as everything is used to attack or defend is a technique by itself.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/technique


ech•nique (tĕk-nēk&#8242😉
n.
1. The basic method for making or doing something, such as an artistic work or scientific procedure: learned the techniques involved in painting murals.
2. Skill or command in a particular activity: a pianist with superb technique. See Synonyms at skill.
[French, technical, technique, from Greek tekhnikos, technical; see technical.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
technique (tɛkˈniːk) or technic
n
1. a practical method, skill, or art applied to a particular task
2. proficiency in a practical or mechanical skill
3. special facility; knack: he had the technique of turning everything to his advantage.
[C19: from French, from technique (adj) technic]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
tech•nique (tɛkˈnik)

n.
1. the manner and ability with which an artist, writer, athlete, etc., employs the technical skills of a particular art or field of endeavor.
2. the body of specialized procedures and methods used in any specific field, esp. in an area of applied science.
3. any method used to accomplish something.
4. technical skill; degree to which one is able to apply procedures or methods.
[1810–20; < French (adj., n.) < Greek technikós, techniká; see technic]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
technique

traffic-calming device - Any device (e.g. a speed bump) or technique on or next to a road that is used to slow or restrict traffic, especially in residential areas.
appliance - First was the use or application of a technique, putting a technique into practice.
expression marks - The collective term for musical directives, including tempo, volume, technique, phrasing, and mood.
martial art - So named for Japanese bu-jutsu (bu + jutsu), "art, technique, skill, craft."

Farlex Trivia Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.
technique – technology
1. 'technique'

A technique is a method of doing something.
...the techniques of film-making.
...modern management techniques.

Technique is skill and ability which you develop through training and practice.
He went off to the Amsterdam Academy to improve his technique.
2. 'technology'

Technology is the use of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, for example in industry.

That's how far it goes when you can become "one with nothingness".

Their techniques will hit "nothing" making them useless in the process.

I see your game though, you claim Ken is unstoppable while downplaying others.

Quote the part of my post when I downplay any characters in that thread or that's a baseless statement.

You say, "Ken can do this with that", and then you say, "But these guys can't do this."

You are paraphrasing. That's not an argument.


For example -

Me: Tsukuyomi only needs eye contact, is instant, is unbreakable unless you're a fellow Uchiha, etc..
You: Nah, doesn't work. On the off chance it works, he can counter it, despite being stuck in an unbreakable illusory nightmare world.

Instead of making-up stuff, shows the part of my post where I made a mistake.

The only think that I did was mentioning the Hokuto Shinken capabilities and I explained what the Muso Tensei do.

Kenshiro isnt CAPABLE(having attributes REQUIRED) of dodging or resisting a genjustu(only a fanboy or the protection group). After Sasuke owns with a genjustu he'll just chidori him( stab him to death).

After a long deliberation with myself (0,001 second), I've decided to put Dvampire under the "ignore" function.

His contributions doesn't help anyone and his claims shows an inner stupidity beyond the human comprehension.

I invite everyone and his mother to do the same so we can read those threads without risking our retinas to burn.

Thanks ! 😄

Sasuke will literally spam genjustu until his bored and decides to kill him. Because his ABLE( PRODUCING SUFFICIENT POWER). Still WANT(have NEED OF, is one variation) TO(into being near) TRY(MAKE an effort), not ATTEMPT( MAKE an effort TO fail).

Nothing of that tells us if Sasuke can fight blind or survive lava...

Damn it !

The only one that's going to BE ( occupy a particular place) fighting blind is kenshiro until Sasuke stabs his heart.

fwiw, Gai's strategy against Itachi was to fight while looking at his feet. So fighting blind is definately a viable strategy against most Sharingan.

Sasuke will own kenshiro( he has no IDEA about his ABILITY) even if he fights with his head down. He'll cause a distraction.

Originally posted by cdtm
fwiw, Gai's strategy against Itachi was to fight while looking at his feet. So fighting blind is definately a viable strategy against most Sharingan.

I didn't even mentioned the fact that the Ninja Bros have to go through Kenshiro's Ki-aura.

I'm sure that they can see it thanks to the Sharingan but I don't see how they can counter it.

Aaaaannnd...

(Muso Tensei ! ^^)

Sasuke makes a shadow clone then get him in the genjustu, this is just another option( that would never be used). How hard do you think kenshiro have to hit susanoo?( if I spelled it right) it took a hit from raikage ( whose stronger than kenshiro), if it can take a hit from raikage it'll definitely take a hit from kenshiro.

Originally posted by dvampire
Sasuke will own kenshiro( he has no IDEA about his ABILITY) even if he fights with his head down. He'll cause a distraction.

Kenshiro's also insanely fast. And he doesn't fool around testing opponents, like most characters (Goku, Kenichi, and even Luffy start slow before going for the kill.)

Sasuke owns every body you've listed including kenshiro. Back to genjustu.&#128516;

Originally posted by dvampire
Sasuke owns every body you've listed including kenshiro. Back to genjustu.&#128516;

We get it, you have a crush on Sasuke. But Kenshiro is better.

Also, he is manlier as well. This has no bearing on the fight, but it needed to be mentioned nonetheless.

Sasuke kills kenshiro by putting him in a genjustu and using chidori. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimple ass win.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
*long post*
Amatarasu

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Amatarasu

Muso Tensei.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Amatarasu

Chidori can pierce them! After he gets them in a genjutsu of course!

Muso Tensei >>>> Genjutsu
Muso Tensei >>>> Chidori
Muso Tensei >>>> Rasengan
Muso Tensei >>>> Whatever technique they have.