Reasons for modern era characters to be more powerful

Also, my claims aren't idiotic. Why? Because those two words don't match up in the context of Force drain. If Obi-Wan knew that power; he'd use it on his enemy not on Luke(if he was that desperate)

Also this is what it is said about illusions:

"The Force can be bent to your will, but often there is a cost. The most powerful rituals of the dark side exact a toll few are willing to pay."
-An unnamed Sith Master of the Dromund Kaas Sith Academy

The dark side ia definitely involved in Sith illusions. Also what the ancient Sith did: Was to create illusions that could "move" on their own.
What Obi-Wan did to that person was the Mind twist power, not a Force illusion.

@LordoftheLight

There is no reliable technique to resist Force Drain powers for long. Even the likes of Luke Skywalker and Abeloth didn't.

Do not push your luck.

Nadd your every single claim regarding the story is crap. Every single one.

LotL, there are certain people you just gotta learn to stop arguing with. No two ways about it. That Freedon Nadd cosplayer is one, and that LeGenDary person above another.

Thank you @Azronger

Though the same can be said about hardcore Sheevites but I will not stoop to your level.

Once again, if PT era Jedi developed credible defenses against Force Drain powers - I want to see evidence of it.

I have never understood on a dying forum to ignore stubborn posters with a different point of view. They as likely to change their views as you so who cares. Why even log in here ? What's the point ?

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Nadd your every single claim regarding the story is crap. Every single one.

Yeah. 😆

Yeah indeed. I think I'll take Az's advice. It will surely save me a lot of time, not to mention, irritation and frustration.

"Let the frustration flow through you."
-Freedon Nadd

Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on topic. Yeah the reasons are solid. Az has also made a blog on it which has many quotes stating that the PT era is the best of all. To add cherry to the topping, the TPM visual guide has explicitly stated that the Jedi numbers have "dwindled" to a mere 10000. Which shouts for quality over quantity of Jedi.

PT>>>>>>>>>>>any ancient era. Bow to the supremacy of Sheev and the best of the Jedi.

Everyone knows the bias of a PTist Sheevite

Why did this shit clown come back lmao

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Yeah, but draining of sentient beings isnt. Forget that, the Jedi were unaware that such a concept even existed

Then you must be reading a different text form me. In the Tales of the Jedi Companion, there is an article titled Drain Life Essence, which describes a power that allows Force users to "draw life from those around him". The article also notes how draining a close relative would make the technique more difficult. I don't think this book is being written for the in-universe plant life and fungi of Star Wars, so when a close relative is mentioned, it's probably in reference to a being with a conscious mind and functioning body.

even from the Sith point of view

Then whatever source your referring to is either poorly written or being badly read.

For electronic manipulation, it is flat out stated that the Jedi are simply unable to use it without entering a deep state of rage.

As for illusions, they are outright classified as one of the main Sith disciplines. They arent written alongside dark side powers that the Jedi knew( I also didnt see on the tabulated list of Jedi powers, whereas force drain was). There is a difference.

I repeat the premise again. In regards to what the entirety of this forum is based on - pitting x Force user against another, the relevance of these abilties being weakly manifested by modern jedi is inconsequential to their fighting success. Qui Gon Jinn's electronic manipulation might help him against HK-67, but it won't help him fight Tott Doneta. Likewise, Yareal Poof can telepathically manifest any entity of his desire into the mind of others, it wouldn't matter against Nomi Sunraider, who learned how to dispel illusions as a knight, and used the technique in an actual confrontation. Do you also think that Obi Wan draining a newborn child allows him to hurt Ulic Qel Droma, who could shield himself from the Dark Reapers Force harvester? On the other hand, every single PT order Jedi bar Anakin is venerable to a mass draining device and probably dies to an individual who can masterfully weird the power.

Next, no, Ood Bnar compiles this around 3998 BBY, and the present timeline is exactly as such. Recent times means times around this date. Not to mention, Ood Bnar writes this for the future generation of Jedi and will take their perspective into account, not his.

When the text is written is irrelevant. What matters is that "recent times" isn't given a specific date. "Around this date" is also relative given how far Jedi history, or less specifically, galactic civilisational history spans. Then you have to consider the narrative style. A 90 year old man might think of recent times as being anything from the year 2000 onwards. Here we have the perspective of a 1000 year old Jedi master talking about "recent times" where civilisation history spans 200,000 years. To him recent times could be as far back as 50 years, perhaps even 100 or more. That doesn't change based on who he's addressing, especially if those people are future generations of Jedi.

I am unaware of the event in detail and I havent played the game, so I cant really comment. However a few things:

1. Credibility of the source-coming from a dubiously canonical game, even in the Legends continuity? Games have had ridiculous stuff before. Which while not a reason to dismiss it outright, it really doesnt hold much weight when it stands alone.

The game isn't dubiously canonical, even in Legends. If it has the Star Wars title and the Lucas Arts logo it counts as c-canon (with the exception of the "infinities series"😉. As for it's authority within in the Lore I have to disagree. Video games tend to be massive co-operate projects with a lot of money, time and people spent working on them. This is as appose to Fact File #302923 or the long since inactive blogs found on the Wizards of the Coasts website. Furthermore, those sources tend to just contain an analysis of the mythological events, while the Clone Wars video game counts as stuff that actually happened in the mythos. It's pretty hard to deny it's place within the lore. This isn't the same as sequences in the ROTS game that get explicitly contradicted within the movies either.

2. As I said, I am unaware of the details. However, it could also be that both Yoda and Mace knew force drain resistance, but the way they learned was through the light side which takes a lot of time and effort. Time which they probably didnt have to teach Anakin, and they would be involved in other stuff anyways. If another way existed by which Anakin could be taught drain resistance by a different, quicker way, they would spring for it. Is it explicitly stated that they didnt know how to counter drain? Because otherwise we cant really make any assumptions.

While this is a nice suggestion, it's not a parsimonious one. "If Dooku restores the Dark Reaper... it will mean the end of the republic." The entire situation becomes laughable if they know how to resist drain, even more laughable if they can teach it to Anakin but choose not to.

3. The Jedi would have full knowledge of how to counter drain(if they didnt have so already) after this. Which kind of renders the vs part of your argument moot. [/B]

The confirmation that Ulic Qel Droma's tomb on the planet Rhen Var, contained the technique would then be known to the Jedi. Correct. However, I doubt that even a single one of them would have traveled to seek out the information. Let's put this into perspective, Mace and Yoda were already aware that Ulic's tomb might contain the power to resist drain, but never once decided to explore the artefact in their life times, even after the sith revealed themselves in TPM. The only reason they consider Ulic's knowledge is in the urgent event that the Dark Reaper is revived, a weapon than Anakin destroys soon there after. So of course, the incentive to seek out the knowledge simply has already been rid of... and as you said before "they probably would be involved in other stuff anyways"...

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Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on topic. Yeah the reasons are solid.

I just read the reasons for the topic too. I'm just gonna say it. The reasons in this thread, while well constructed, fail on every level based on what we know about the Jedi.

- He suggests that we can see "several new inventions in the moive era" and only lists one... Vaapad. And instead of treating Vaapad like an obvious outlier, he asserts that it's possibly one of many innovations that occur across Jedi history. The problem is that several fact files and databooks have gone into extensive detail regarding the movie era Jedi and their abilties. We know for example, the chosen fighting forms of Qui Gon, Kit Fisto, Sasee Tinn, Shaak Ti, Obi Wan, Plo Koon, Kiadi Mundi etc etc. Every single one of them uses a classical form that dates back to "ancient times". So even if there were numerous Vapaad-like innovations stored over time, no one is using them.

- He equivocates the development of technology, specifically the development of star ships, to the advancement of magical powers and sword based martial arts. Doesn't really work.

- He makes the assertion that the population would increase because the most developed parts of our world today still experience population growth. And claims that, because of this, you'd have a larger possibility of finding force sensitives. The problem here is that one of the reasons for population growth in developed places like the UK, Hong Kong, Europe is that that people are living longer - the population of the developed world is an ageing one, yet the birthrates of new babies per women is dropping and will continue to drop and likely cause a population decline within the century. In the most developed countries, there will be less 3 year olds in 50 years time then there are now. Given that after the Russan formation, the modern-era Jedi are only allowed to take in children (considered Anakin too old at the ripe age of nine for training), the PT era need a there to be historical constant birthrate of over 2 children per female, inspite of widespread birth control, for them to benefit from some bigger selection of force sensitives. Given that Ellimist is insistant on comparing the Star Wars Galaxy to the developed world, this would actually mean that older eras have a bigger possible selection force prone babies to train. Proving the opposite of what he was implying.

- He forgets that after the Ruusan reformation, Jedi weren't allowed to form attachments, and as a result produce children. Families that were founded by force users tend to produce children that are also strong in the force, such as the Qel Dromas, the Sunraiders, the Shans and last but not least, the Skywalkers. Jedi couples in specific, probably produced the strongest force bareing children in the Galaxy. Don't forget that Tenebrous engineered a romance between two couples strong in the force to produce Plageuis, a character who through meditation , produced a cosmic threat to the Force. And of course, Galen Marek, another one of Ellimists favourites, was the result of two Jedi knights (Kento Marek and Mallie) who married in secret and defected from the Jedi order before the purge. Now imagine an order brimming with people who have the force potential of Plageuis and Galen and you have the OR eras.

- Last but not least, he claims that era of propensity and training in the jedi temple served the Jedi better than hard battle experince ever did. You just need to look at the improvements of Obi Wan, Anakin and Mace windu during the three years of the clone wars to realise that this isn't the case.