Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What do you mean "not nearly"? The "angrier he gets the stronger he gets" aspect of the character has already been a well established staple of his mythos long before that fight in Defenders.And why wouldn't it make sense for Thor to match Hulk in strength? He is one of the strongest heroes in comics. You make it seem like Hulk is far and away stronger than any hero. Did it occur to you that maybe Thor bolds back greatly and has a degree of dynamic strength in his mythos as well?
Yes in Thor #385 Hulk came out looking better. A lot of things involved in that fight, but it's not like Hulk was so far beyond Thor and just completely dominated the fight every step of the way.
In LBB the even the writer throws some shade on the story by literally stating that it was a fight "OUT OF TIME". Furthermore he went on to say that it was actually a dream sequence that Hulk may not be remembering properly. There are other more credible sources than LLB.
So now Thor has dynamic strength? Thing has matched Hulk in a test of strength too would you say he was matching Hulks dynamic strength? What Thor does is the same thing Spiderman and Thing do, and that's find an extra 10-30% by "digging deeper" because plot demands it. He doesn't literally grow stronger like Hulk can on an "any given sunday" type of fight.
It certainly seemed like domination towards the end of their fight in 385, Thor couldn't defend himself against Hulk once he amped. LTBB was just another example but I could've picked others. Snyder giving Thor fans an olive branch doesn't take away from what happened, Hulk completely overpowered Thor once he got angry.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I'll make it simpler for you, did his rage amps happen back in those days? On occasion yes, but it was far less dramatic and refined compared to later years when his amping became an integral part of the character and would actually make a difference in his fights. In the late 60s/early 70s it was always mentioned in narration or by Hulk himself that he was mad and getting stronger. Even still it only happened on rare instances, and not every writer portrayed Hulk with that ability back then.So now Thor has dynamic strength? Thing has matched Hulk in a test of strength too would you say he was matching Hulks dynamic strength? What Thor does is the same thing Spiderman and Thing do, and that's find an extra 10-30% by "digging deeper" because plot demands it. He doesn't literally grow stronger like Hulk can on an "any given sunday" type of fight.
It certainly seemed like domination towards the end of their fight in 385, Thor couldn't defend himself against Hulk once he amped. LTBB was just another example but I could've picked others. Snyder giving Thor fans an olive branch doesn't take away from what happened, Hulk completely overpowered Thor once he got angry.
Yes. Thor has dynamic strength. He holds back often and has gotten stronger based on his mindset. And no it is not to the degree of Hulk's, but has been shown on more than one occasion. It's been shown on panel and corroborated on multiple bios.
Like I said. Hulk #385 he came out looking better than Thor(a lot of context involved). But when you look at their whole history, Hulk does not physically dominate Thor by a large margin.
Like I said there are better sources than LTBB considering the writer's own statements of it being a story"OUT OF TIME"(not following reg continuity) and it being a sort of misremembered dream sequence.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the scene carver is using:He conveniently ignores the first part of the sentence, however, where Banner says it's for allowing him to control WHEN he changes into Hulk. He only focusses on the second part of the sentence, which is very....weird.
Which contradicts the whole idea that Banner got from the alt. Hulk, which was that Hulk could be released at whim.
Incidentally, Carver also initially claimed that the Hulk Sun God defeated was THAT alt. Hulk, which should tell you how objective he is.
you need a bigger image. 👆
and okey dokey, now i remember the scene. problems are numerous with it: (a) it would SEEM to allow him CONSCIOUS control over his ability to throttle. that means he would be able to exert some measure of undefined control IF HE WISHED TO. idiotic to assume he would willingly throttle back against someone who was kicking his a$$....
(b) just how much would it throttle him back?? there is no defined notion. does he max out at wwh level? beyond?
(c) does this look like he's in a throttled back/lessened rage??
😂 slobber, spit, classic hulk line. certainly no mention from hulk that he felt different, felt weaker.
(d) what happened to the serum? is it still in him then? has it been in him the whole time since that issue?
(e) proof the serum even worked?? any mention that it was BECAUSE of the serum he lost? any vaguely defined allusion to it being the reason? because banner has tried and failed.....dozens of times, to find a way to control himself as the hulk and his attempts have nearly ALWAYS failed.....
i don't see any way anyone can claim that serum was responsible for hulk losing that fight. all indications are that he was in full rage and simply got ktfo'd. like he did here:
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is some serum responsible for that as well....?
the list of characters hulk has NOT overwhelmed in strength during battles FAR outweighs those he has. we can add hyperion to the list as well. he's beaten a version of hyperion, but in another fight had to use a thunderclap because his blows weren't able to harm hype. new hype is likely as strong or stronger and has a far better feat than hulk has ever performed (IF you subscribe to the whole stopping universes theory....)
hulk vs hype would go much the same way hulk vs marvel would go imo--the difference being that marvel's lightning would have a greater impact (see thor's lightning) than hype's heat vision would. i'd probably side with hulk against hyperion because of that difference but hulk vs hyperion would be a brutal fight and i really can't see hulk just overwhelming hyperion in the strength department....
Leo haven't read the Sun God fight. He said Sun God was kicking Hulk ass. Show me. Hulk was dominating the fight until the end.
Hulk dominated AND tanked Sun God heat vision TWICE before the end. I already stated why the last heat vision attacked worked but whatever. Anyways, you never read or seen the fight. Enjoy reading it for the first time.
Originally posted by carver9
Leo haven't read the Sun God fight. He said Sun God was kicking Hulk ass. Show me. Hulk was dominating the fight until the end.Hulk dominated AND tanked Sun God heat vision TWICE before the end. I already stated why the last heat vision attacked worked but whatever. Anyways, you never read or seen the fight. Enjoy reading it for the first time.
bwhahah! dominated?? holy f***, maybe you are as dim-witted as everyone says you are....
sun god wasn't even HURT by anything hulk did to him. as hulk is 'dominating him' sun god was chatting away and it was clear he seemed to even feel sorry for hulk and the other avengers. hulk wasn't even CLOSE dominating that fight. wtf? who are you trying to kid. i'm afraid it's you who needs to reread the comic for the first time--and remove the green glasses. dominating implies sun god was in some danger at some point in that fight. he could have clearly stopped hulk at any point he decided he really needed to. getting in utterly useless shots that amount to nothing and are not a danger isn't 'dominating'. 😂 by that reasoning spidey has physically dominated hulk. great powers of deduction. 👆
and when someone ktfo's you, that IS the definition of getting your a$$ kicked. it's like your new to this whole thing all of a sudden....
Originally posted by leonidas
bwhahah! dominated?? holy f***, maybe you are as dim-witted as everyone says you are....sun god wasn't even HURT by anything hulk did to him. as hulk is 'dominating him' sun god was chatting away and it was clear he seemed to even feel sorry for hulk and the other avengers. hulk wasn't even CLOSE dominating that fight. wtf? who are you trying to kid. i'm afraid it's you who needs to reread the comic for the first time--and remove the green glasses. dominating implies sun god was in some danger at some point in that fight. he could have clearly stopped hulk at any point he decided he really needed to. getting in utterly useless shots that amount to nothing and are not a danger isn't 'dominating'. 😂 by that reasoning spidey has physically dominated hulk. great powers of deduction. 👆
and when someone ktfo's you, that IS the definition of getting your a$$ kicked. it's like your new to this whole thing all of a sudden....
Who's blood is that on Hulk hand. Leo, you're not fooling me. You never seen the fight and lol, Sun God got a scar on his face but he isn't hurt. Good post leo. Next time we debate, please at least read the stories you debate against me on.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you not see the blood flying out of Hulks' mouth in your first page?Also, scar? WTF? Where? That's no scar.....
Also, why does the Jovian have grey patches? He usually has green skin...
Lol...I'm not the one that said Sun God could or couldn't hurt a weakened Hulk.
Looks like a scar to me. What is it to you? Dirt?
So Jovian had Grey and Green patches? Scans. Also, did Jovian have a grey body but Green eyes? Scans. I remember that scene and I don't remember his color fluctuating at all. Scans will prove me wrong though. Scans.
