Luke Skywalker runs the Ancient Sith Gauntlet

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Even if its slight, that still puts Ragnos on the level of Caedus or above him, due to every Sith Lord in between having a slight power boost, and there being 8 combatants, and the fact that Ragnos is above the likes of Pall, who is above Muur.

Ah, so Ragnos is Caedus-level? Luke kills him with a thought, then.

As well as above Freedon Nadd and Tulak Hord, who is already pulling giant Endar Spire-sized ships from the sky.

Still below Ragnos, who according to you is Caedus-level, who gets taken out by Luke just by thinking about it.

I can't make much of an argument for Sadow and Kressh.

Then stop bringing them up.

All we know is that Naga Sadow is a smidge better then Kressh.

Kressh has destroyed a Giant Statue with a gesture though.

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On top of the fact that Luke gets no break between battles, and that none of those battles are ending quickly.

Do you even read what I say, or is your memory that short? None of the people in this gauntlet have the speed feats to match Luke - or even Leia, for that matter, and even she couldn't see Luke move - and Luke's Force reserves are vastly superior to Plagueis and TPM Sidious, who could fight for hours on end without tiring.

Every single Sith here gets taken out in a fraction of a second, and Luke isn't tiring in a fight that lasts half a minute a best.

Bart has made an good case, for Hamner against Kressh, lol. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=627697&pagenumber=2

Ah, so Ragnos is Caedus-level? Luke kills him with a thought, then.

No.
1. He won. It wasn't a statlemate.
2. Luke was injured.
3. Caedus had an enviroment advantage.
4. He maybe was holding back.
5. But Azronger and I assume Peak Luke, which doesn't hold back.
6. I don't see how Ragnos is equaling Kun.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No.
1. He won. It wasn't a statlemate.
2. Luke was injured.
3. Caedus had an enviroment advantage.
4. He maybe was holding back.
5. But Azronger and I assume Peak Luke, which doesn't hold back.
6. I don't see how Ragnos is equaling Kun.

That's dumb. Peak Luke DOES hold back. There is no version of Luke that doesn't. The fight between him and Caedus was pretty much a stalemate when it didn't need to be. Jman outlined Luke's inconsistencies. At this point you and Myth are just blowing smoke.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Sure, since he was able to do that precisely at no time. His inconsistence allows him to hold Caedus with a thought, then fight to a stalemate with him. So if we're using your idiotic logic, Luke either kills Ragos with a thought, or loses an all out battle.

Or maybe, he just didn't decide to use the Force very much in that confrontation? It's that simple, really.

And it's not my logic, but Jman's. And no, it wasn't a stalemate, lmfao. Luke pretty much humiliated Caedus.

And for the last time: I am taking Luke at peak performance. You can quit bringing up low showings, or at least attempt to justify why they should be taken as the standard.

He didn't hold back against Nyax, he didn't hold back in Shimrras Palace, against UnuThul, Taalon or Abeloth.
We three(Azronger and I said that, like, a dozen times. @Azronger it is okay if I say it, like we were an team, or?) peak performance Luke.
Nah, he made good points, but Myth debunked all of them.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
That's dumb. Peak Luke DOES hold back. There is no version of Luke that doesn't. The fight between him and Caedus was pretty much a stalemate when it didn't need to be. Jman outlined Luke's inconsistencies. At this point you and Myth are just blowing smoke.

Do you know the definition of "peak"? Apparently not.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/peak

When Luke's at his peak, he isn't holding back. If he is, then he's not at his peak. We are using Luke at his peak. Simple logic.

Originally posted by Azronger
Ah, so Ragnos is Caedus-level? Luke kills him with a thought, then.

Still below Ragnos, who according to you is Caedus-level, who gets taken out by Luke just by thinking about it.

Then stop bringing them up.

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Do you even read what I say, or is your memory that short? None of the people in this gauntlet have the speed feats to match Luke - or even Leia, for that matter, and even she couldn't see Luke move - and Luke's Force reserves are vastly superior to Plagueis and TPM Sidious, who could fight for hours on end without tiring.

Every single Sith here gets taken out in a fraction of a second, and Luke isn't tiring in a fight that lasts half a minute a best.

But then again, you think Hord's Endar Spire feat is insignificant so like...

Idk man, maybe debate on a different topic, because you have no idea how monumental of a feat that is.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Being the most powerful mortal Force Wielder doesn't mean he can just kill whoever in a thought, I don't know where you got that from, or why you're thinking it.

But then again, you think Hord's Endar Spire feat is insignificant so like...

Idk man, maybe debate on a different topic, because you have no idea how monumental of a feat that is.

Originally posted by Azronger
Do you know the definition of "peak"? Apparently not.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/peak

When Luke's at his peak, he isn't holding back. If he is, then he's not at his peak. We are using Luke at his peak. Simple logic.

Yes, I know the definition of peak. Peak Luke is at the peak of his powers, not any given moment he decides not to hold back. Since peak Luke's character involves holding back more often than not, you can't really use your version of Luke in a debate now can you? Let me know if that got way too confusing for you.

@Urs

If you want to call us a team, feel free to do so.

Originally posted by Azronger
Again, I am taking Luke at peak performance, how many times do I need to repeat that?

Originally posted by Azronger
Or maybe, he just didn't decide to use the Force very much in that confrontation? It's that simple, really.

And it's not my logic, but Jman's. And no, it wasn't a stalemate, lmfao. Luke pretty much humiliated Caedus.

And for the last time: I am taking Luke at peak performance. You can quit bringing up low showings, or at least attempt to justify why they should be taken as the standard.

Already mentioned Tulak Hord's feats, too many times, FARRRR too many times.

Naga Sadow has moved stars and created Supernovas to a greater extent then Aleema Keto, as well as being the one who technically trained Freedon Nadd.

Kressh is below him by a smidge, nearly his equal, and has his Gauntlet.

Marka Ragnos is the strongest and most powerful Ancient Sith, barring Kun.

Muur was Vong Krayt's clear superior, Muur didn't even find Krayt interesting to fight with.

Pall is confirmed to be above Muur.

I don't even have to speak for Nadd.

I didn't wanna include Kun because I THOUGHT it'd be overkill.

Nadd: Impressive, still Sub-Vader
Pall: Same as abovr
Ragnos: Same as above, with an smaller gap
Hord: Sub-Vader
Muur: Sub-Vader
Sadow: Sub-Dooku
Kressh: Sub-Hamner.

Still waiting for the quote, that says Kressh/Sadow>Pall

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nadd: Impressive, still Sub-Vader
Pall: Same as abovr
Ragnos: Same as above, with an smaller gap
Hord: Sub-Vader
Muur: Sub-Vader
Sadow: Sub-Dooku
Kressh: Sub-Hamner.

Still waiting for the quote, that says Kressh/Sadow>Pall

I never said there was a quote.

K then.
Kun>Ragnos>Nadd>Pall>=Muur>Sadow>Kressh then.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lol, he doesn't fvcking clear without rest. That being said, I'm not giving an answer, because no-rest gauntlets are stupid and impossible to predict.

How does he not clear? Anyone below Vader-tier is essentially fodder for him; he can just cheat around the no-rest rule by pinning one of them down and then taking a break in the meanwhile. And everyone here is sub-Vader.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How does he not clear? Anyone below Vader-tier is essentially fodder for him; he can just cheat around the no-rest rule by pinning one of them down and then taking a break in the meanwhile. And everyone here is sub-Vader.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
They all come out one after another immediately, Luke gets no rest.

Everyone here is essentially superior to Vader, but Luke still clears. He doesn't "pin" anybody because he doesn't turn that on anytime he wants.