Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaThis isn't Drew though, this is Avellone, and he never took back this statement, merely backed up what Kreia said.
Drew has made plenty of statements about his characters that he later took back or contradicted. Author statements should be taken wearily.Regardless being the best duelist of the Ancients doesn't place him above them as an overall combatant.
You're right, being the best duelist and having an insane TK feat does. 🙂
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I no longer support the killing 1,000 Jedi thing.
But according to Val, he did single-handedly break the siege of Yn, and also defeated Val himself.
Also, Marek didn't directly move the ship, he diverted it and just barely stopped it.
Hord straight up pulled the ****ing ship OUT OF THE SKY using his own force power.
Kreia and Chris Avellone seem to agree with one another about the Hord thing btw.
The thing with the ancients is, if you don't take the hype seriously, then its impossible to really use them in versus matches unless you use people like Muur, Kun, or Nadd, who all have impressive feats.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kreia and Chris Avellone have Tulak Hord as the best Lightsaber Duelist of ALL the ancients.Just as well, Hord has a pretty insane TK feat.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceEveryone on KMC barring me and Syn have Marek below ANH Vader, Hord's feats should put him dangerously close to, or above ANH Vader.
It's pretty much his only other showing, and without it, he's definitely losing to Marek.That is another case of him killing thousands of Jedi, and defeating Khem isn't above Marek, lel. Not to mention, Hord went there with a shit ton of Force Sensitives and used rituals.
So what you saying is, he directly moved the ship? Because that's what it sounds like you said.
I like how you know every single detail from an instance by a two second offhanded line from Khem.
You do realize Avellone wrote Kreia? Like she's his mouthpiece, you realize this, yes? I'm guessing no from the number of times you've repeated the amazing fact that an author thinks what he thought.
It has nothing to do with taking the hype seriously and a lot more to do with learning to be a skeptic and examine what's in your cup before drinking a deep glass of Kool-Aid.
Thats what Val said, IIRC.
"Once Tulak Hord pulled a ship this size out of the sky."
Or something along those lines.
Yeah, I know Avellone wrote Kreia, which is why I'm inclined to believe him and her, since Avellone worked with LucasArts on the game, and everyone else seems to have his word as law based on what happens in KOTOR II.
I honestly do believe that Tulak Hord pulling an Endar Spire out of the sky is as impressive as Galen Marek barely managing to stop a Star Destroyer with all the time in the world to do so.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceWhy would you be a skeptic when theres more evidence pointing to the evidence being true then not being true?
It's pretty much his only other showing, and without it, he's definitely losing to Marek.That is another case of him killing thousands of Jedi, and defeating Khem isn't above Marek, lel. Not to mention, Hord went there with a shit ton of Force Sensitives and used rituals.
So what you saying is, he directly moved the ship? Because that's what it sounds like you said.
I like how you know every single detail from an instance by a two second offhanded line from Khem.
You do realize Avellone wrote Kreia? Like she's his mouthpiece, you realize this, yes? I'm guessing no from the number of times you've repeated the amazing fact that an author thinks what he thought.
It has nothing to do with taking the hype seriously and a lot more to do with learning to be a skeptic and examine what's in your cup before drinking a deep glass of Kool-Aid.
Originally posted by Azronger
Hord has other feats than Khem Val's tales:"You have been touched by the Force and an echo of that power remains within you."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic
Genuine question: Can Marek do this to the likes of Darth Nox, or Barsen'thor?
That is more along the lines of a game mechanic... I mean, Sith that weren't ever present on Yavin IV, made their appearance on Yavin IV... Also, simply hurling back a non-defending Force user doesn't strike me as powerful.
Originally posted by MythLord
That is more along the lines of a game mechanic... I mean, Sith that weren't ever present on Yavin IV, made their appearance on Yavin IV... Also, simply hurling back a non-defending Force user doesn't strike me as powerful.
Sith spirits can travel instantly from and to any place strong in the dark side.
Is there actually anything in the lore that contradicts this feat? If not, I don't see why it shouldn't be accepted. It just solidifies the ancients' place of power as far higher than the protags.
And it's impressive because it left an echo of the power in the protag, and I can't confirm this, but isn't it impossible for the protags to get close without being hurled backward?
No, no they cannot. Palpatine could, but he knew almost every Force power, which would include teleportation/Fold Space... Most Sith Spirits are bound to a tomb, planet, or place.
Marka Ragnos was bound to Korriban, yet he's on Yavin IV in TOR somehow.
It leaving an echo is just the fancy way of saying: "Welp, the protag got darn touched by a Force Ghost!" and there's no proof the protags were even combat ready or had their Force Barriers up... It is as legitimate as a random NPC Bounty Hunter shooting you in the chest, and then hurling you back via physical hit, yet only you still stand with less HP.
It is a game mechanic, or rather easter egg... Hardly something I'd take as canon.
Originally posted by MythLord
No, no they cannot. Palpatine could, but he knew almost every Force power, which would include teleportation/Fold Space... Most Sith Spirits are bound to a tomb, planet, or place.
Freedon Nadd, Talzin, Vitiate, Kallig...?
Marka Ragnos was bound to Korriban, yet he's on Yavin IV in TOR somehow.
Or maybe he just never was permanently bound there? Or maybe it's a retcon?
It leaving an echo is just the fancy way of saying: "Welp, the protag got darn touched by a Force Ghost!" and there's no proof the protags were even combat ready or had their Force Barriers up... It is as legitimate as a random NPC Bounty Hunter shooting you in the chest, and then hurling you back via physical hit, yet only you still stand with less HP.
It mentions being touched and and an echo being left there as separate things. The protags may not have had their Force shields up, but how many times have you seen a Force user affect, not the environment, but another Force user so profoundly it left an echo?
It is a game mechanic, or rather easter egg... Hardly something I'd take as canon.
So simply because it didn't happen in a cutscene?