Ahsoka(Rebels) and Kanan vs Maul(Rebels) and Ezra

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's reflecting on Season Two as a whole, and states that the only people in "this time period" who could match Ahsoka are Vader and the Emperor. So no, your explanation relies on constructed contexts I'm afraid.

He's talking about why she didn't made many appaerences in Season 2, Maul's only a part of Season 2 in the very end so he can't be included when talking about the rest of Season 2. the "this time period" can as easily mean the time covered by Season 2, not necessarely the entire OT period.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's reflecting on Season Two as a whole, and states that the only people in "this time period" who could match Ahsoka are Vader and the Emperor. So no, your explanation relies on constructed contexts I'm afraid.

Yep. 👆

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
It matters because you used it was the sole base of your argumentation.

This was my argumentation because of the reasons I just wrote above... I don't see your point?

Regarding the rest, Maul admitted inferiority only to keep the Ghost crew there since right after that he actually tries to kill the persons that are supposed to help him take on Vader.

Those are assumptions. We don't know the real reason, but not only does Maul himself says it, also his voice-actor and this is further supported by Filoni stating this post-Twilight of the Apprentice, now that Beni has cleared it up [not that it mattered that much, anyway].

Secondly, Ahsoka was defeated by Vader so what's exactly your point? Her stomping two inquisitors, a showing she couldn't replicate in the Season 2 finale, doesn't prove anything especially since Maul was pushing back three inquisitors at once (the inquisitors should have improved by this point looking at how they put up a far better performance against Ahsoka).

My point is Ahsoka managed quite well against Vader, so it's a good indicative of where she stands powerwise and it fits accordingly in Filoni's statements. She's shown to be capable of completely stomping two Inqs at once [who, on the other hand, defeat Kanan & Ezra], regardless of what happens in the finale. She is capable of doing so; we've seen it first-hand, and the circumstances were also very different in that last chapter.

Maul pushed back three Inqs for like eight seconds before the others joined the fight, and he didn't exactly 'push back', he evaded a few attacks and delivered a couple of strikes.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
He's talking about why she didn't made many appaerences in Season 2, Maul's only a part of Season 2 in the very end so he can't be included when talking about the rest of Season 2. the "this time period" can as easily mean the time covered by Season 2, not necessarely the entire OT period.
Friend Vader only appeared twice, at the beginning and ending of S2, and the Emperor did not appear at all, and probably never will. So by your logic they shouldn't be included either. He's talking about the OT time period in general, obviously. And even if we assumed he was referring only to the time in which Season 2 covered, Maul still exists within that period, he's just not on-screen until the end.

Really I'm open to alternate interpretations of Filoni's remark but this reading is a desperately reaching one.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Her stomping two inquisitors, a showing she couldn't replicate in the Season 2 finale, doesn't prove anything especially since Maul was pushing back three inquisitors at once (the inquisitors should have improved by this point looking at how they put up a far better performance against Ahsoka).
That could just as easily be attributed to the properties of the dark side nexus, and frankly is a more logical explanation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That could just as easily be attributed to the properties of the dark side nexus, and frankly is a more logical explanation.

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Originally posted by |King Joker|
Are you that mentally inhibited that you can't understand basic context in a children's show?
All interpretations are valid by definition
Originally posted by Petrus
She ran away because she was going to save Ezra from Vader. 😕

It's not really Jinn & Kenobi because Ahsoka > Maul. So, it's someone who is superior to Maul + another Jedi. Yeah, it's enough.


She had to "save Ezra" because she knew that Maul was too powerful for her to defeat soundly.
You haven't said why you think Tano is clearly superior to Maul.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
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On the other hand Joker is on the money, neither Maul nor Ahsoka gained ground over one another in the off-screen engagement, that or whatever ground was gained was conceded. And the only advantage present in that fight belongs to Tano.

Regardless irrespective of what you infer from SW.com, they are evidently extremely close as combatants, on top of the added possibility Maul was amped by the nexus. So to assert that Maul can handle Ahsoka and Kanan like he did Jinn & Kenobi is legit retarded.


I am saying that Kanan is a non-factor to significantly affect the fight. It is like saying Yoda + Kenobi is enough to handily defeat Sidious.
So in reality it is really Maul vs Kenobi + Jinn. Going off the movie only, Jinn was the only real threat during the fight. Kenobi was man-handled whenever he got close.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Friend Vader only appeared twice, at the beginning and ending of S2, and the Emperor did not appear at all, and probably never will. So by your logic they shouldn't be included either. He's talking about the OT time period in general, obviously. And even if we assumed he was referring only to the time in which Season 2 covered, Maul still exists within that period, he's just not on-screen until the end.

Really I'm open to alternate interpretations of Filoni's remark but this reading is a desperately reaching one.

He's talking about Season 2, why he would include the entire OT era is a mystery to me. He's explaining why Ahsoka wasn't used much in the rest of Season 2, which is because the only villians that can match her at that time are Vader & Emperor. Why isn't Maul included in this list? Well he wasn't there, he's trapped on Malachor V so he isn't part of the rest of Season 2 and hereby he couldn't be an antagonist for the rest of the season. Understanding context isn't really that difficult.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That could just as easily be attributed to the properties of the dark side nexus, and frankly is a more logical explanation.

You just decided that by yourself? The inquisitors could have just as easily improved, Kanan & Ezra did so, what stops them from doing something similar? In the end it's probably a combination of a lot of factors so saying one has preference over the other is unsupported (at this point). This is frankly the last time I'm actually going to respond on this subject, it really gets boring repeating something over and over again.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
He's talking about Season 2, why he would include the entire OT era is a mystery to me. He's explaining why Ahsoka wasn't used much in the rest of Season 2, which is because the only villians that can match her at that time are Vader & Emperor. Why isn't Maul included in this list? Well he wasn't there, he's trapped on Malachor V so he isn't part of the rest of Season 2 and hereby he couldn't be an antagonist for the rest of the season. Understanding context isn't really that difficult.
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Did you read a thing I said? I've already explained to you why Maul's absence is a non-factor, the Emperor wasn't there either, Vader was barely there at all. And I really needn't explain how time period refers to a period of time not on-screen narrative events, or rather story.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
You just decided that by yourself? The inquisitors could have just as easily improved, Kanan & Ezra did so, what stops them from doing something similar? In the end it's probably a combination of a lot of factors so saying one has preference over the other is unsupported (at this point). This is frankly the last time I'm actually going to respond on this subject, it really gets boring repeating something over and over again.
I 'decided it' based on what evidence we have of the planet amplifying their powers, on the other hand the fact that the dramatically improved over the course of a single year is purely supposition, and highly unlikely considering that Kanan & Ezra are doing much better against them than in the past.

Not that I reject the idea that they did not improve at all.

Maul wins. He's the best here hands down. He is Vader's superior after all.

It's quite sad how hard the Ahsoka fans in this topic are reaching for something that isn't there. She most certainly doesn't stomp Maul and there haven't been any good arguments for why she would beat him.

They are biased. Simple as that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is Vader's superior after all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are biased. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by chingchangwalla
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What did I say that was biased ?

^ Quanchi like to talk in opposites.

Beni, do you really believe Maul can't match Ahsoka blow for blow?

And yes the context was when Ahsoka was introduced, which was actually the S2 finale. Maul was presumably stuck in the Temple that whole time.

Not to mention Maul already DID match Ahsoka blow for blow.

I have still d. Thor by his fictional balls. He is my servant. You'll never live down the cowardly exit of the Khan/Vader battlezone.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Beni, do you really believe Maul can't match Ahsoka blow for blow?

And yes the context was when Ahsoka was introduced, which was actually the S2 finale. Maul was presumably stuck in the Temple that whole time.

Not to mention Maul already DID match Ahsoka blow for blow.

The contexts was the OT time period, and Season 2 as a whole, to infer anything else is to read into the text.

As for whether Maul can match Ahsoka blow for blow on neutral ground, that depends on the extent to which he benefited from the temple.

Originally posted by red8
It's quite sad how hard the Ahsoka fans in this topic are reaching for something that isn't there. She most certainly doesn't stomp Maul and there haven't been any good arguments for why she would beat him.
Quality input, you should consider debating more often.

Beni, as much as I'm on the Ahsoka train, saying Maul can't match her blow for blow is a little insane

Good thing I never said that then. 🙂