Kylo Ren vs Satele Shan

Originally posted by MythLord
You posted irrelevant evidence, hon. You said Marka wins cuz he's > Sadow and Kressh based on a Publisher's Summary, I said Jacen is > Vader based on a Publisher's Summary and that is just better.

You said Marka is incredibly powerful, I said so are standard Jedi Masters Caedus would shit on. All of that is absolutely true, and not just me saying: "I don't care about evidence!"

I really don't need to justify myself to an illiterate, when normal people can actually read what I said. And I also don't feel the need to have a cuss-out with you in every thread. Go on with your little life and I'll go on with fine and ignore whatever you're posting.

Through power-scaling, based on that SINGLE quote, Ragnos is capable of being on Caedus' level.

Nah, not really. Being greater than Vader > being greater than Sadow or Kressh.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Only after Jace tackled Malgus, exploded a granade in his face

I still scrunch my nose at how he survived a point blank grenade going off in his face. His face didn't even look that bad, when really half of it should be missing and he should be dead.

Originally posted by MythLord
Nah, not really. Being greater than Vader > being greater than Sadow or Kressh.

You have a good day.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Oh, I'm not denying that, but Kylo isn't some incredible duelist, based on what we see of him.

We can't quantify how good he would be at full health, because we never see him at that point, Malgus, meanwhile, even by that point, is shown as an incredible duelist.

Yes, Malgus is a good duelist but Satele lost, and lost quite soundly. We can't really scale her from that. Kylo, however, does have some accolades that are superior to Satele's.

It's been quite some time I've read any material about Satele, so if you have any accolade that enhances her capabilities as of Hope, I'd like to see.

You, too, I guess.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Yes, Malgus is a good duelist but Satele lost, and lost quite soundly. We can't really scale her from that. Kylo, however, does have some accolades that are superior to Satele's.

It's been quite some time I've read any material about Satele, so if you have any accolade that enhances her capabilities as of Hope, I'd like to see.

Present your evidence on Kylo first...

I've seen deadly saber skills... because he killed featless Jedi (that we can't even quantify yet.)

And Immense Telekinesis defense...

Thats about it.

While Satele put up a decent fight against one of the greatest duelists of The Old Republic, possibly the best barring Revan and The HOTLander.

Originally posted by MythLord
Nah, not really. Being greater than Vader > being greater than Sadow or Kressh.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
👆

I hate it when you go into troll mode.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Present your evidence on Kylo first...

I've seen deadly saber skills... because he killed featless Jedi (that we can't even quantify yet.)

And Immense Telekinesis defense...

Thats about it.

While Satele put up a decent fight against one of the greatest duelists of The Old Republic, possibly the best barring Revan and The HOTLander.

Yes, he killed padawans and "his deadly lightsabers skills were responsible from preventing the return of the Jedi Order". This last one is a very impressive accolade as the series stands right now. Unless this accolade is contradicted in the next movie and some random Jedi pops from here and there, it's superior to Satele's accolades of sparring against a hundred padawans.

I have Malgus higher than the HoT/Outlander until the strike team vs solo discussion is firmly estabilished(even so, in the solo mode the HoT implies Malgus lost because he let the anger and desperation overcome him, not because he was outdueled). Revan is tricky to rate because he's vastly superior to Malgus in force power and mastery.

Nah, he just said something, to wank Jacen. I don't actually care about the rest of the debate, tbh.
On topic: Kylo is to unknown.

Satele slaughters

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Yes, he killed padawans and "his deadly lightsabers skills were responsible from preventing the return of the Jedi Order". This last one is a very impressive accolade as the series stands right now. Unless this accolade is contradicted in the next movie and some random Jedi pops from here and there, it's superior to Satele's accolades of sparring against a hundred padawans.

I have Malgus higher than the HoT/Outlander until the strike team vs solo discussion is firmly estabilished(even so, in the solo mode the HoT implies Malgus lost because he let the anger and desperation overcome him, not because he was outdueled). Revan is tricky to rate because he's vastly superior to Malgus in force power and mastery.

No it isn't, we don't know how many Jedi were in Luke's Jedi Order at that point, it could have been only 30 Jedi.

Satele performing decently against Malgus in saber combat is better then what we know of Kylo, don't even try to argue force, just don't.

The feats only approach is kind of tiring. Marking someone as superior because he has more material where he's featured in.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No it isn't, we don't know how many Jedi were in Luke's Jedi Order at that point, it could have been only 30 Jedi.

Satele performing decently against Malgus in saber combat is better then what we know of Kylo, don't even try to argue force, just don't.

Do you think that Luke's students who were going to be the fundation of his new Jedi Order are just as good as your average Jedi/Sith during the Old Republic era? Because honestly that sounds kind of weird. Not to mention that Kylo could easily be an Ahsoka level duelist looking at his training, potential and raw power.