The Mask vs Amazo vs Solar vs DS Sentry

Originally posted by RealityWarper

The Super-Adaptoid could copy Kubik but he couldn't copy Sentry.

It literally facilitated the 'copying" feat:

My posts here and now deal solely with Dark Reing Owen and anything before that concerning Owen.

At the end of the Beyonder fight, he was able to contain evil MM,
and was completely mentally stable.

As far as I know, all he can do is consciously de-power himself,
by restricting his unlimited potential (evil MM) from taking over his persona.

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I posted this before, and it addresses this Owen/Sentry nonsense.

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So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

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... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(not even global)

(Owen himself stated this)

(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

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... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

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So, Owen didn't, and showed No sign of having trans-multiversal,
multiversal, universal, galactic, solar system, solar, global, country,
state even city wide range of influence over molecules, as opposed
to actual On Panel feats affecting 44 people in a tiny Town, and a
handful of Avengers. While beyond that literally stating clearly
without room for interpretation his limitations concerning molecular control.
Even using a comparison: 'the World? ... actually no, ... just those around me.'

That's a far cry from the guy contributing to a Trans-Multiversal feat ey?

Originally posted by operator616

Owen was also a prisoner in the raft but escaped, as seen in New Avengers:

http://i.imgur.com/aT7f39N.jpg?1

The New avengers file/handbook directly attributed his imprisonment to his self-imposed limitations/ mental instability.......

http://i.imgur.com/lm2sKWc.jpg?1

And that was directly before DA as far as Owen goes....

Owen was definitely depowered in DA, imo.

Anyway, the "power level" during Dark Reign was known:

"I control the molecules of the very world, well, the ones around me"

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So less than global, and it can't be denied.

When taking into account his feats, pathetically far less than global.

Literally, his influence stretched across a Town of 44 people.

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So what were Owen's feats in Dark Reign aside from confronting Sentry:

1) Went to his tiny home town,
and dispersed the molecules of all the residents there (44 people)
the molecules were left right in the town btw.

2) Re-arrange the molecules of a handful of Avengers (he didn't want to kill anyone)

3) Mind-phuk Norman Osborn via brain molecules

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So what were Evil MM's feats:

1) Ripped the essence of a Cube being from another universe away

2) Cosmic speed-blitzing simultaneously with devastating energy blasts plus also

3) Reality warping the most powerful Cube being

4) Battling on all sorts of Planes of Existence

5) Contributing (perhaps mostly) to spacial-temporal restructuring within realities across the infinite Multiverse and beyond!

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stoned

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So, there were 3 versions of Owen Reece concerning level of power:

1)Owen Reece (mentally unstable)
2)Owen Reece (mentally stable)
3)Owen Reece (unleashed - evil MM)

1) Top Feats: Dispersing the molecules of 44 humans in the local area,
molecularly warping a handful of Avengers,
mind games on Osborn via brain molecules,
dispersing Sentry's molecules.

2) Top Feat: From atomizing Thor's hammer (w/wand)
to re-creating himself,
to re-creating all the stars of a galaxy (no wand)

3) I posted most, but, Trans-Multiversal manipulation should be enuff,
oh,
and reality warping Space-Time,
and he's also a physical powerhouse unlike Owen 1 & 2,
like surviving in the vacuum of space, heck, even speed-blitzing
while tanking blasts from the most powerful Cube being
and size augmentation (cosmic scale) while cracking the laws of nature in space.

Here's evil MM, clearly stating that Owen's potential has increased dramatically,
but ... he (evil MM) ... is ... this potential realized:

"with MY Persona ascendant, that of the true MM,
I Now transact on power levels unimaginable even to you."

... yep, yep.

This is exactly why when evil MM was trying to come out he said:

"Lay down the burden of consciousness, surrender the flesh, give ME control!"

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Owen Reece has Two personas.
One is an insecure, sympathetic human being who can control molecules.
The other is a confident, remorseless cosmic being who can control Space-Time.

Evil MM appeared again several years after the Beyonder fight, I'll try and find more showings,
but for now we'll enjoy this:

It clearly shows us that Evil MM is bald, & muscular,
while Owen has hair on his head, & is feeble/normal in stature,
this is the artistic image that differentiates them. (same as during the Beyonder encounter)

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So, Evil MM creates shadow creatures to travel to Doc Samson's location for the kidnapping:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894572_Owen_Powa16.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894573_Owen_Powa17.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894574_Owen_Powa18.jpg]

Then, Evil MM begins torturing Doc Samson for the joy of it:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894556_Owen_Powa1.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894557_Owen_Powa2.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894558_Owen_Powa3.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894559_Owen_Powa4.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894561_Owen_Powa5.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894562_Owen_Powa6.jpg]

Then, She-Hulk finds them, and she reminds Evil MM (bald) of Marsha,
which makes Evil MM downgrade to Owen Reece (with hair)

But then as you read, Owen realizes it is not Marsha, and becomes Evil MM (bald) again:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894565_Owen_Powa9.jpg]

Evil MM (bald & bulging) is about obliterate She-Hulk and Samson,
but then the Persona of Owen Reece takes over as he's reminded of Marsha again:

Yep, yep, since he cant be defeated, the writer ops to have Owen take over,
and end it there as he decides to seek out Marsha's love.

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That's who Sentry defeated, Owen Reece with hair,
the one that was actually remorseful about killing Sentry:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16894617_Owen_own_Sentry5.jpg]

... Owen is freakin crying! ... lol

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While we got Evil MM ripping the essence out of Cube beings across universes,
battling across who knows how many Planes of Existence, wrecking the laws of nature,
cosmic speed-blitzing while simultaneously reality warping his victim,
coupled with jarring energy attacks.

Then to ice the cosmic cake, we see a rarity, an actual BEYOND-Multiversal warping feat,
where even our own "Superman" is created. lol.

Evil MM also defeats Beyonder in his pure essence, how he is most powerful,
and when we take into account what Beyonder's done since,
well, that continues to catapult Evil MM up the ladder.

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There is no doubt, that Owen Reece and Evil MM are on two different levels.
They Look different, they Act different,
and they have two completely different scales of feats historically speaking.

There is also no doubt that Owen Reece is no push-over,
just cause his Evil side is far more powerful than he,
we still know regular Owen to be powerful. But Evil MM is just on another level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]I thought it was good :-(

Feats don't share. Just because four individuals with similar powers can't, doesn't mean Amazo can't.

"Feats don't share"

What idiocy is this ?

Those 4 instances shows Sentry's near-immunity against powers copycat.

See above.

See above.

That's just a bit too much logical fallacies in a few posts bro.

Clearly. You can't stop yourself using them.

Amazo is always listed as being able to copy EVERY superpowered being he comes across. All his bios and in-story statements say this.

So is the Super-adaptoid, despite the fact he was able to copy Kubik's powers, whom is far more powerful than anything amazo copied, he was uncapable to copy Sentry powers.

That's the proof that Amazo will be unable to copy Sentry's powers.

He has never failed at copying (to my knowledge).

This time he will.

We cannot share feats, nor share defeats.

And we don't.

I showed Sentry's near-immunity to power-copycat.

SuperAdaptoid has nice feats, but has failed at copying.

SuperAdaptoid has infinitely better feats than Amazo just by copying Kubik.

Does not mean Amazo will fail (hence my analogy with Batman).

Sure he will fail.

The Super-Adaptoid has superior powers when it comes to copy other powers.

He will never be able to replicate Sentry's powers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You repeated this many times in this thread,
but you failed to realize that the ONLY reason SA was able to "copy" Kubik,
is because SA was made from a sliver of a CCU.

It literally facilitated the 'copying" feat:

That's how powerful SA's ability to copy is.

That confirm that he can copy CC-beings but not Sentry.

In short you are adding one argument to the one I already made via SA's power origins.

Yelena Boleva Super Adaptaoid actually did copy Sentry's powers and oneshotted him.

And she didn't have a sliver of CCU.

Absorbing Man also drained a portion of his power in Lethal Legion and beat him.

Not to mention Absorbing Man with a portion of CCU easily defeated Sentry and split him in half.

So no, the molecule man he beat wasn't that powerful.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here's evil MM, clearly stating that Owen's potential has increased dramatically,
but ... he (evil MM) ... is ... this potential realized:

"with MY Persona ascendant, that of the [b]true MM,
I Now transact on power levels unimaginable even to you."

... yep, yep.

This is exactly why when evil MM was trying to come out he said:

"Lay down the burden of consciousness, surrender the flesh, give ME control!"

==================================

Owen Reece has Two personas.
One is an insecure, sympathetic human being who can control molecules.
The other is a confident, remorseless cosmic being who can control Space-Time.

Evil MM appeared again several years after the Beyonder fight, I'll try and find more showings,
but for now we'll enjoy this:

It clearly shows us that Evil MM is bald, & muscular,
while Owen has hair on his head, & is feeble/normal in stature,
this is the artistic image that differentiates them. (same as during the Beyonder encounter)

------------------------------------------------------------

So, Evil MM creates shadow creatures to travel to Doc Samson's location for the kidnapping:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894572_Owen_Powa16.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894573_Owen_Powa17.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894574_Owen_Powa18.jpg]

Then, Evil MM begins torturing Doc Samson for the joy of it:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894556_Owen_Powa1.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894557_Owen_Powa2.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894558_Owen_Powa3.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894559_Owen_Powa4.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894561_Owen_Powa5.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894562_Owen_Powa6.jpg]

Then, She-Hulk finds them, and she reminds Evil MM (bald) of Marsha,
which makes Evil MM downgrade to Owen Reece (with hair)

But then as you read, Owen realizes it is not Marsha, and becomes Evil MM (bald) again:

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16894565_Owen_Powa9.jpg]

Evil MM (bald & bulging) is about obliterate She-Hulk and Samson,
but then the Persona of Owen Reece takes over as he's reminded of Marsha again:

Yep, yep, since he cant be defeated, the writer ops to have Owen take over,
and end it there as he decides to seek out Marsha's love.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

That's who Sentry defeated, Owen Reece with hair,
the one that was actually remorseful about killing Sentry:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16894617_Owen_own_Sentry5.jpg]

... Owen is freakin crying! ... lol

---------------------------------------------------------------------

While we got Evil MM ripping the essence out of Cube beings across universes,
battling across who knows how many Planes of Existence, wrecking the laws of nature,
cosmic speed-blitzing while simultaneously reality warping his victim,
coupled with jarring energy attacks.

Then to ice the cosmic cake, we see a rarity, an actual BEYOND-Multiversal warping feat,
where even our own "Superman" is created. lol.

Evil MM also defeats Beyonder in his pure essence, how he is most powerful,
and when we take into account what Beyonder's done since,
well, that continues to catapult Evil MM up the ladder.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no doubt, that Owen Reece and Evil MM are on two different levels.
They Look different, they Act different,
and they have two completely different scales of feats historically speaking.

There is also no doubt that Owen Reece is no push-over,
just cause his Evil side is far more powerful than he,
we still know regular Owen to be powerful. But Evil MM is just on another level. [/B]

Excellent post.

Anyway, Super Adaptaoid vs Sentry, round 1. Sentry gets oneshotted.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M_7WVCp_Iqk/VfeSOFBEyyI/AAAAAAAP31s/4fKLDXNTE5U/s1600/65_08.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8htqWfnFPCg/VfeSOhI5r2I/AAAAAAAP31w/QzR7vUPuG0I/s1600/65_09.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RHcC4nXNhK4/VfeSPWhn5wI/AAAAAAAP318/nWRrA-jsxEg/s1600/65_10.jpg

Round 2. Not holding back Sentry. Gets beaten again.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AMiNlk_75t0/VfeSQYL5rEI/AAAAAAAP32M/0IZMGva0ltI/s1600/65_13.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kJa1RiKk35A/VfeSQqr-uLI/AAAAAAAP32U/WRwZBrZ2XB4/s1600/65_14.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ez4RzsNQeEY/VfeSQi9E55I/AAAAAAAP32s/O_kCyI-i1SE/s1600/65_15.jpg

By get this, draining his powers.

And then Iron Man overpowered her by getting her to fight several of his armors. Who beat the shit out of her.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6Lx4htyRd-I/VfeSTHFZWlI/AAAAAAAP33o/j45HZG9YH0s/s1600/65_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PPayYPcIwI8/VfeSTtjalZI/AAAAAAAP334/XBAgXFr7NSo/s1600/65_24.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V1suoIIJWYs/VfeST8wA1GI/AAAAAAAP330/-xyjIglEiuY/s1600/65_25.jpg

And then Sentry shows up and as she also had Void persona, she gets overwhelmed mentally.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V1suoIIJWYs/VfeST8wA1GI/AAAAAAAP330/-xyjIglEiuY/s1600/65_25.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LTRkYA0P70w/VfeSUt6G7WI/AAAAAAAP338/bzNO1SxpXOY/s1600/65_26.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3aMof_NOSc4/VfeSVU3Y6iI/AAAAAAAP34E/_GkgSz3DR-U/s1600/65_27.jpg

And then she gets killed by a bomb. While she had both Sentry and Void powers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1GU9FW5jbCk/VfeSVjydlOI/AAAAAAAP34g/2gK8AHozb9A/s1600/65_28.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zSjLBceF6P8/VfeSVjh5gwI/AAAAAAAP34Q/1PmnVrlpSAk/s1600/65_29.jpg

That's some omniversal level bomb right there.

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Realitywarper does a good job of ignoring proof

Originally posted by iceman24567
Realitywarper does a good job of ignoring proof

So you might say Reality Warper is great at ignoring...

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reality.

Originally posted by Surtur
So you might say Reality Warper is great at ignoring...

( •_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_&#9632😉

reality.

You might even say he

warps reality.

rimshot

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Super Adaptaoid vs Sentry, round 1. Sentry gets oneshotted.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M_7WVCp_Iqk/VfeSOFBEyyI/AAAAAAAP31s/4fKLDXNTE5U/s1600/65_08.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8htqWfnFPCg/VfeSOhI5r2I/AAAAAAAP31w/QzR7vUPuG0I/s1600/65_09.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RHcC4nXNhK4/VfeSPWhn5wI/AAAAAAAP318/nWRrA-jsxEg/s1600/65_10.jpg

Round 2. Not holding back Sentry. Gets beaten again.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AMiNlk_75t0/VfeSQYL5rEI/AAAAAAAP32M/0IZMGva0ltI/s1600/65_13.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kJa1RiKk35A/VfeSQqr-uLI/AAAAAAAP32U/WRwZBrZ2XB4/s1600/65_14.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ez4RzsNQeEY/VfeSQi9E55I/AAAAAAAP32s/O_kCyI-i1SE/s1600/65_15.jpg

By get this, draining his powers.

And then Iron Man overpowered her by getting her to fight several of his armors. Who beat the shit out of her.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6Lx4htyRd-I/VfeSTHFZWlI/AAAAAAAP33o/j45HZG9YH0s/s1600/65_23.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PPayYPcIwI8/VfeSTtjalZI/AAAAAAAP334/XBAgXFr7NSo/s1600/65_24.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V1suoIIJWYs/VfeST8wA1GI/AAAAAAAP330/-xyjIglEiuY/s1600/65_25.jpg

And then Sentry shows up and as she also had Void persona, she gets overwhelmed mentally.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V1suoIIJWYs/VfeST8wA1GI/AAAAAAAP330/-xyjIglEiuY/s1600/65_25.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LTRkYA0P70w/VfeSUt6G7WI/AAAAAAAP338/bzNO1SxpXOY/s1600/65_26.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3aMof_NOSc4/VfeSVU3Y6iI/AAAAAAAP34E/_GkgSz3DR-U/s1600/65_27.jpg

And then she gets killed by a bomb. While she had both Sentry and Void powers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1GU9FW5jbCk/VfeSVjydlOI/AAAAAAAP34g/2gK8AHozb9A/s1600/65_28.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zSjLBceF6P8/VfeSVjh5gwI/AAAAAAAP34Q/1PmnVrlpSAk/s1600/65_29.jpg

That's some omniversal level bomb right there.

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I'm telling you those sandworms were at least OMNIversal level.

Originally posted by Zack M
😂

I'm telling you those sandworms were at least OMNIversal level.

It's why Sentry has a panic attack whenever he see's a book from the Dune series.