Daredevil vs Deathstroke

Originally posted by Dareangel
and answer is no. instead of playing guessing games go and watch those feats. i already stated the fights to to nightwings respect thread and just watch them dont be so lazy. nightwing was trying to reason with slade. slade attacked him so of course nightwing is defending himself and smash slade into the mirror and beat him up. however he wasnt angry like slade was he was trying to reason with him. and again i posted the issue number of the fight where nightwing actually defeats slade. all the other fights he either stelmated him or gave him a nice run for his money. thats the majority of the fights. i never said he is a crappy martial artist. find me where i said that. i said he is not one of the top. he has the stats to beat batman however the reason why dick, bruce, and bronze tiger for example are able to compete with him and even beat him, if because of the fact they are a level above him as far as pure skills. this is why daredevil will clean his clock. he has the skills and strength over nightwing and he has speed and agility over batman. he is a combination of the best from batman and the best from nightwing.

Originally posted by Dareangel
false. watch my post above. i named the fights that ended in a stalemate including a fight where nightwing beat deathsroke. educate yourself. this is actually insane, people here got a great respect thread for characters and yet they lack the knowledge about that characters feats.

You are not even debating. You are just choosing to ignore overwhelming evidence of Slade dominating NW. Deathslash already showed 3 different fights where Slade stomps him. Here's another one where Nightwing paid Slade $30,001.50 to not finish his contract, because Nightwing had no chance against him in a fight lol Slade also knocked him out before that.

Deathstroke dominates Dick constantly

You are really making a name for yourself of not having a clue what you are taking about.

Originally posted by Dareangel
deathstroke most of the time gets bested by nightwing.

Here's another one where Slade lets Dick attack him, before putting him down with one kick. Slade didn't even want to fight him here, and told NW to take it easy. So what are we up to like 5 or 6 different incidents in this thread where DS completely owned NW when he wanted too?

Originally posted by Dareangel
posting more picked fights. how about their fight in bludhaven when slade has assassination mission. nightwing give him a good fight and a run for his money.

😂 That's in my previous post, and not like you described. NW didn't give him a run for his money, but he did give him money to stop lol.

in another fight dick gets the better of slade smashing his face into a mirror. deathstroke is able to kick dick only when he didnt look. dick didnt even want to fight him and was just trying to talk.

lol again I just posted that one. Its clear that Dick attacked DS first and that DS didn't want to fight him.

there is also that fight where slade has his daughter near him and nightwing stalemated him and held his own again slade very well.

I need more info or issue number b/c I certainly can't take your word for it. You'd probably consider it a stalemate if DS doesn't kill him or completes his mission and leave.

in new teen titans v2 #86 he beats up deathstoke.

lol Deathslash already posted that fight on the first page. DS doesn't even fight back in the beginning letting Dick take his anger out for Jericho's death. Then when DS had enough, he easily dominates Dick again.

in titans #29 he stalemated slade dressed up as batman. they were evenly matched once again. hows about that?

This is the only fight that you have listed where's there is the possibility of a stalemate. Even here DS and his team mission was to break two people out of Arkham Asslyum. So he didn't really want to waste his time fighting Dick and was looking for a way out.

as i pointed out, backed up by the fights i have mentioned, nightwing on average is a good fight to deathstroke and in some cased kicks his ass.

So you went from the first quote in this post, stating that NW bests DS most of the time, to now NW is a good fight for DS. lol I guess that is progress. But NW has never kicked DS ass, on the contrary its usually the other way around.
So far there is only one encounter where NW stalemated a somewhat disinterested Slade. Far from your inaccuracies and misleading statements.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Here's another one where Slade lets Dick attack him, before putting him down with one kick. Slade didn't even want to fight him here, and told NW to take it easy. So what are we up to like 5 or 6 different incidents in this thread where DS completely owned NW when he wanted too?

😂 That's in my previous post, and not like you described. NW didn't give him a run for his money, but he did give him money to stop lol.

lol again I just posted that one. Its clear that Dick attacked DS first and that DS didn't want to fight him.

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I need more info or issue number b/c I certainly can't take your word for it. You'd probably consider it a stalemate if DS doesn't kill him or completes his mission and leave.

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lol Deathslash already posted that fight on the first page. DS doesn't even fight back in the beginning letting Dick take his anger out for Jericho's death. Then when DS had enough, he easily dominates Dick again.

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This is the only fight that you have listed where's there is the possibility of a stalemate. Even here DS and his team mission was to break two people out of Arkham Asslyum. So he didn't really want to waste his time fighting Dick and was looking for a way out.

So you went from the first quote in this post, stating that NW bests DS most of the time, to now NW is a good fight for DS. lol I guess that is progress. But NW has never kicked DS ass, on the contrary its usually the other way around.
So far there is only one encounter where NW stalemated a somewhat disinterested Slade. Far from your inaccuracies and misleading statements. [/B]

is that how you debate this ? twist things around ? in the scans you posted dick was the one who didnt want to fight. this is the fight i was talking about where he was trying to calm deathstroke who kept attacking him. you might want to work on your compehension skills. dick dominated slade until slade used a moment when dick didnt look and he kicked him while he wasnt looking. this is a very poor strawman in your behalf. anyone with a set of eyes can see the things i have stated to be true.

on the assassination fight dick did gave him a fight and was shown to be leveled up with him. not being able to stop him from assassination doesnt means regardless of how you view yourself against that person, eventually he will be able to take out his target. lets say there is some junky out there who you know is weaker than you. and he wats to kill you. you know even if you beat him doesnt matter tomorrow or any other time he will do it. so you pay him to stop not because he is stronger or not, but because of the situation.

you need more info on that fight with slade and his daughter? just go to the nightwing repect thread. of all the 5 pages there are only 2 pages of his feats. you cant be that lazy. it even says for you, nightwing is able to convince slades daughter during their fight or something like that.

i dont think slade likes to get hit and smashed. it was never stated that he wanted to get hit. when he tells dick to try and hit him and let it out, it doesnt mean he is standing and want to get hit. thats the reason why he was trying to avoid his hits. he wants him to let it out but with a fight he is no punching bag. and he doesnt dominate dick. he hits him and then talks him out.however if we look at that fight as a whole dick beat him up good.

possibly a stalemate? are you blind or are you that much of a fanboy? dick dressed as batman and going shot for shot with slade making him bleed and breaking his face is a stalemate at minimum. i would personally say the edge was towards dick since he kicks and tackles slade with the last hit. however it shows easily they are even. you have to be a troll to not admit it.

i just saw my initial post, i misswrote what i intended to write. i wanted to say that usually they are on par with nightwing being able to beat him up sometimes. as pointed out i will say again. if we look at all their fights combined, the overall majority of the fight they are trading blows and seem to be evenly matched. sometimes the edge to slade sometimes nightwing trash him. however i will go back to my initial idea. this is nightwing. daredevil is more. daredevil is as agile and fast only he has radar senses, he is stronger and more durable. and i would say he is more skilled by feats. watching his fighting techniques where he takes out opponents much tougher than him by utilizing pressure points and things like breaking knee caps , elbows, throat strikes, daredevil is on another level. i dont see slade bring anything matt didnt handle and beat to the table. and once again, bronze tiger.

Originally posted by deathslash
so out of the 10-12 times that they've fought Grayson has only won twice and has held his own about three more times? Every other time, deathstroke has stomped on him. This includes the two times that slade has beaten him using one arm, the two or three times that he's allowed Grayson to wail on him before putting him down casually, and the one time in which he was literally at half strength, got hit from behind, and still laid him out with two shots. And this is enough to give daredevil a definitive win? Well, if that's all that's needed then this reaffirms the thought that deathstroke wins. Matt has lost to less skilled opponents that slade (bullseye) and had trouble with people that didn't even have enhanced stats (lady bullseye). Hell, Matt being the master of martial arts still didn't stop him from getting beaten on by elektra. Meanwhile, slade has managed to more or less stalemate Cassandra Cain on two separate occasions. Also, lol and bronze tiger being an example that can be used. Deathstroke was tired and half dead during that fight and he still did good. Oh, and as for the thought that bronze tiger is so good that he can beat slade, batman stalemated bronze tiger and we all still know what happens to him when he goes up against deathstroke. How about this; why don't you prove that daredevil is above nightwing. Prove that you're not just trying to wank your favorite character. Jesus Christ, soon enough you're going to suggest that Matt is above galactus.

out of the times they fought, mostly they are portrayed as evenly matched with endges here and there. thats one of the reasons why matt with trash him up. matt is a combination of the best from batman and the best from nightwing and then some more.

bullseye less skilled than slade? wtf are you on? slade doesnt have top level skills. his low super human stats give him the edge in all his fights. look how bronze tiger worked him. daredevil took opponents that have anything slade has and then some more. bruiser, symbiot spiderman, wolverine, black panther. fought Cap several times to a stand still. slade has nothing on daredevil. matt is more skilled, faster, more agile, and has strength and durability over nightwing who is able to keep up with slade preety well.

i like how you try to lowball daredevil but at the same time you try to moan your way out of bronze tiger owning slade. half dead? go and read the comics again dont make fun of yourself. slade was after a fight so what? his fans are just trying to use poor excuses for the fact bronze tiger owned him. you want me to prove daredevil is above nightwing? why wont you just read comics. feats ... watch them. daredevil defeating guys like sabretooth, bruiser, spiderman, symbiot spiderman, black panther, one shotted psylocke who is one of marvels top martial artists. fights evenly with cap. daredevil fought them all and messed them all. his fight vs punisher shows exactly how skilled he is and how tough he is and can take damage. anyone who reads nightwing knows that nightwing is out of his league vs matt.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i just saw my initial post, i misswrote what i intended to write.

😂 In other words you had no idea what you was stating and still have no idea.
Everything else you posted is more garbage. Slade has beaten the hell out of Dick not only one on one but when Dick had his team of the Titans. No one should even have to point that out to you.

You state irrelevant stuff that Daredevil has done like Slade doesn't use pressure points or have better feats. lol Prove any of what you have stated. Prove Daredevil is faster and more skill.

Post a feat and I will post an equal of better one to shame you even more.

Just finished ready through the massive wall of text that dareangel was kind enough to post. Seriously man? No scans to even slightly suggest that daredevil wins this? Just skewed views and outright lies of showings that are clearly in Slade's favor? It's become clear that you're simply trying to wank your pet character.

Originally posted by Supermutant
😂 In other words you had no idea what you was stating and still have no idea.
Everything else you posted is more garbage. Slade has beaten the hell out of Dick not only one on one but when Dick had his team of the Titans. No one should even have to point that out to you.

You state irrelevant stuff that Daredevil has done like Slade doesn't use pressure points or have better feats. lol Prove any of what you have stated. Prove Daredevil is faster and more skill.

Post a feat and I will post an equal of better one to shame you even more.

as i pointed out, i accidently wrote that. it doesnt make sense since slade is more than enough of a match for batman. however my intention were to say they are most of the time evenly matched with some fight here and some fights there.

whats the matter you cant address me disproving you? thought so. you like to twist facts and feats and this is just lame.

yeah yeah we get it slade have fights where he beat dick. however there are the fights i mentioned where they are evenly matched or dick beat up slade.

i already stated feats for daredevil. doing copy paste from his respect thread or google images is a waste of time. daredevil defeated black panther in a fight. made a quick work. one shottted psylocke. beat up black symbiot spiderman and average spiderman. beat elektra. one shotted wolverine with pressure point strike to the throat. took out wolverine without even intending to fight him in another fight. matched iron fist and one shotted gorgon. defeated the bruiser who kaine had trouble with. he fought them all and beat them all. nightwing is out of his league. slade has stats above daredevil but as pointed out, daredevil took far more tough than slade. daredevils speed agility and skills will overcome slade

Originally posted by deathslash
Just finished ready through the massive wall of text that dareangel was kind enough to post. Seriously man? No scans to even slightly suggest that daredevil wins this? Just skewed views and outright lies of showings that are clearly in Slade's favor? It's become clear that you're simply trying to wank your pet character.

i have stated his fight. i am not going to make a colorful picture posts for you. go look up those fights

Slade beats the shit out of Matt. Just like Kingpin has done several times.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Slade beats the shit out of Matt. Just like Kingpin has done several times.

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Daredevil beat him up more time than not, and actually kills him in end of days. Kingpin gave spiderman a run for his money and also beat captain america. this is kingpin.... no shame in getting a decent fight from him.

Kingpin has destroyed Matt several times. Not decent fights.

This is Slade who has fought Donna Troy and Starfire in h2h.

Spider-Man was always holding back on Kingpin. When he didn't, he destroyed Kingpin in Back in Black like his personal *****.

Slade is stronger than Cap.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kingpin has destroyed Matt several times. Not decent fights.

This is Slade who has fought Donna Troy and Starfire in h2h.

Spider-Man was always holding back on Kingpin. When he didn't, he destroyed Kingpin in Back in Black like his personal *****.

Slade is stronger than Cap.

he beat matt several times. as pointed out he also beat cap and spidy. cap was also beat by crossbones several times who los tto daredevil. thats the thing with nemesis characters you cant let the hero always beat them up. however daredevil beat him more than not.

by feats slade is not stronger than cap.

Originally posted by Dareangel
he beat matt several times. as pointed out he also beat cap and spidy. cap was also beat by crossbones several times who los tto daredevil. thats the thing with nemesis characters you cant let the hero always beat them up. however daredevil beat him more than not.

by feats slade is not stronger than cap.

Crossbones has never lost to Daredevil. In fact opposite has happened.

Slade is stronger than Cap by portrayals. Cap would never overpower Batman the way Slade does.

Originally posted by Dareangel
as i pointed out, i accidently wrote that. it doesnt make sense since slade is more than enough of a match for batman. however my intention were to say they are most of the time evenly matched with some fight here and some fights there.

whats the matter you cant address me disproving you? thought so. you like to twist facts and feats and this is just lame.

yeah yeah we get it slade have fights where he beat dick. however there are the fights i mentioned where they are evenly matched or dick beat up slade.

i already stated feats for daredevil. doing copy paste from his respect thread or google images is a waste of time. daredevil defeated black panther in a fight. made a quick work. one shottted psylocke. beat up black symbiot spiderman and average spiderman. beat elektra. one shotted wolverine with pressure point strike to the throat. took out wolverine without even intending to fight him in another fight. matched iron fist and one shotted gorgon. defeated the bruiser who kaine had trouble with. he fought them all and beat them all. nightwing is out of his league. slade has stats above daredevil but as pointed out, daredevil took far more tough than slade. daredevils speed agility and skills will overcome slade

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crossbones has never beaten Cap straight up.

Crossbones has never lost to Daredevil. In fact opposite has happened.

Slade is stronger than Cap by portrayals. Cap would never overpower Batman the way Slade does.

he beat him up twice. cap wasnt knocked out however crossbones had the upper hand on him. for me thats being defeated

slade overpowers batman with stats combined with skills. however as far as strength feats only cap has the better ones. if we want to take all fighting feats into account then beating up rhink>>> beating up batman

Originally posted by deathslash
so once again? Out of the ten to twelve fights that they've had, Slade has only lost once and night wing has only done good about two more times? Out of the three fights that he's had with Cassandra Cain, Slade has more or less matched her. Out of the three or four fights that he's had with batman, he's dominated him twice, and lost once (when Bruce had the backing of night wing and Robin). You amaze me. Even with all of this evidence clearly presented to you, you still insist that daredevil has a chance at beating him. Seriously, quit riding daredevil's dick; he doesn't have a chance.

you just repost what you posted and i already answered. i already showed that the majority is them being evenly matched here and there while some fights go to slade and some to nightwing. overall verdict? equal in fighting. nightwing more skilled while slade has better stats.

Originally posted by Dareangel
he beat him up twice. cap wasnt knocked out however crossbones had the upper hand on him. for me thats being defeated

That happened once and is an outlier. Cap beats Crossbones without SSS in Captain America 378.

slade overpowers batman with stats combined with skills. however as far as strength feats only cap has the better ones. if we want to take all fighting feats into account then beating up rhink>>> beating up batman

Beating Solomon Grundy>>>Beating Rhino.

Yet Slade overpowered Batman.

Originally posted by Dareangel
you just repost what you posted and i already answered. i already showed that the majority is them being evenly matched here and there while some fights go to slade and some to nightwing. overall verdict? equal in fighting. nightwing more skilled while slade has better stats.

How is it that I bring up Slade matching Cassandra Cain (who by every definition of the word is superior to nightwing) and you manage to ignore it not only in my initial post, but also in the follow up that restated it?

Show me why daredevil wins. Show me how he can beat death stroke when he's lost to the freaking punisher before. Show me anything other than PIS showings and ridiculous high end feats that prove that he can beat deathstroke.

Originally posted by deathslash
...........no. The majority of their fights, they are not evenly matched. In the majority of their fights, dice gets in maybe three hits and then gets sent face first into the ground. Nightwing has won "Fights" now? You realize that he's only beaten Slade once right?

[B] How is it that I bring up Slade matching Cassandra Cain (who by every definition of the word is superior to nightwing) and you manage to ignore it not only in my initial post, but also in the follow up that restated it?

Show me why daredevil wins. Show me how he can beat death stroke when he's lost to the freaking punisher before. Show me anything other than PIS showings and ridiculous high end feats that prove that he can beat deathstroke. [/B]

just because dick is sent flying while slade isnt in some fights, that does not mean slade has upper hand. slade has the better stats. he is much stronger and more durable. of course his hits will look flashier. however as far as overall skills and damage they are evenly matched most of the time. other than that, look at the other fights that were posted like dick smashing his face into the mirror, leaving slade being able to hurt him only when dick didnt look and watched to the side. also when dick wore batmans costume. that fight at the very least show them as evenly matched or edge to dick delivering the final blow. as pointed out, sure, there are fights where dick got beat. however there are fights, that i posted where dick beats slade as well. no that hard stop ignoring it.

i already pointed out for you how daredevil wins and why. first of all he beat the crap out of punisher H2H. punisher if getting the upper hand is due to equipment. secondly lowballing is never the answer. i already pointed out matt defeating bruiser, elektra, spiderman, symbiot spiderman, freaking wolverine with just 1 nerve strike, mister hyde with again just 1 nerve strike, one shotting gorgon. slade bring nothing daredevil havent saw and won.