Marvel Darth Vader vs Mister Sinister

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golem370 Senior Member

Marvel Darth Vader vs Mister Sinister

Powerful Sith vs Powerful Mutant

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Don't know much about Sinister aside from his haxx HF.

What defenses does he have against Vader's TK?

golem370 Senior Member

He has a force field and he can teleport he has mind control & telekinetc powes too.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Shielding is irrelevant, as everything within the shield is still made up of the Force... Which Vader can expertly control.

I know Sinister has uber TP -- that might be an option for him here. Vader's TP prowess, while extremely formidable, probably isn't up to par with Sinister's... Especially post-Legends.

What level of TK does Sinister possess? That is, after all, Vader's bread and butter.

Surtur Restricted

Sinister is a damn beast and I was going to say he stomps, but then I realized this says "Marvel" Vader and I have no idea how strong he is supposed to be.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Shielding is irrelevant, as everything within the shield is still made up of the Force... Which Vader can expertly control.

I know Sinister has uber TP -- that might be an option for him here. Vader's TP prowess, while extremely formidable, probably isn't up to par with Sinister's... Especially post-Legends.

What level of TK does Sinister possess? That is, after all, Vader's bread and butter.


Sinister has uber TP and physical stats. He was taking the combined attacks of the X-Men (Havok, Dazzler, Ms. Marvel Rogue, Colossus, Storm) and X-Factor (Beast, Iceman, Archangel) all the while mindr@ping Jean Grey with Psylocke unable to stop him. He was fighting on two fronts (physical and mental) simultaneously. Much later it was revealed that he was just toying with them.

He destroys Vader.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Yeah, he should be able to telepathically dominate Vader, then. 👆

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by zopzop
Sinister has uber TP and physical stats. He was taking the combined attacks of the X-Men (Havok, Dazzler, Ms. Marvel Rogue, Colossus, Storm) and X-Factor (Beast, Iceman, Archangel) all the while mindr@ping Jean Grey with Psylocke unable to stop him. He was fighting on two fronts (physical and mental) simultaneously. Much later it was revealed that he was just toying with them.

He destroys Vader.

And people think Manchesnut Black has a chance.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, he should be able to telepathically dominate Vader, then. 👆

Just to add a little more fuel tot he fire. He was destroying Jean's memories, Psylocke was crapping herself:

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

he's one of marvel's top 5 psi's. i don't think vader could keep him out tp wise. to the best of my knowldege i don't recall anyone ever mindraping vader though. galan? it would be tough to put sinister down regardless, though he does have some lesser showings to suggest vader could take him out physically. he'd have a chance if he could avoid getting psionically crushed....

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by leonidas
he's one of marvel's top 5 psi's. i don't think vader could keep him out tp wise. to the best of my knowldege i don't recall anyone ever mindraping vader though. galan? it would be tough to put sinister down regardless, though he does have some lesser showings to suggest vader could take him out physically. he'd have a chance if he could avoid getting psionically crushed....
If we're just talking post-Legends, then Vader hasn't been mind-phucked yet. If we're talking ALL canon, then yes, Palpatine himself mind-phucked Vader back in the SotE novelization.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by leonidas
he's one of marvel's top 5 psi's.

Not to mention being STUPENDOUSLY durable. Here he is laughing off a bloodlusted Havok, he even has his back turned to him :

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

If he can regen at the atomic level he can resist Vader's TK, and Vader has strong willpower but if we're applying TP resistance to comics it comes down to TP resistance feats as opposed to willpower like in SW debates. Essex mindrapes him and gets a new henchmen.

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by zopzop
Sinister has uber TP and physical stats. He was taking the combined attacks of the X-Men (Havok, Dazzler, Ms. Marvel Rogue, Colossus, Storm) and X-Factor (Beast, Iceman, Archangel) all the while mindr@ping Jean Grey with Psylocke unable to stop him. He was fighting on two fronts (physical and mental) simultaneously. Much later it was revealed that he was just toying with them.

He destroys Vader.

Absurd outlier though and not at all consistent with his later portrayals.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Non-jobbing Sinister is a force to be reckoned with.

Versatile as fuck, powerful... Apocalypse-lite, basically.

Vader had his hands full with a poor man's Grievous... 😂

staxamillion Sir Snikts-A-Lot

sinister

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by leonidas
he's one of marvel's top 5 psi's.

According to which writer?

And who are other 4?

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

don't recall the writer, but i assume xavier, emma, then mix in jean/rachel/nates/quentin however you want i guess. he has def been portrayed above jean and emma though, and even hung with nate (x-man) so...top 5 is definitely where he is imo. discounting phoenixes and legions i assume. /shrug

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by leonidas
don't recall the writer, but i assume xavier, emma, then mix in jean/rachel/nates/quentin however you want i guess. he has def been portrayed above jean and emma though, and even hung with nate (x-man) so...top 5 is definitely where he is imo. discounting phoenixes and legions i assume. /shrug

What about Exodus (think he was mentioned around that time)? Psylocke after her upgrades? Shadow King and others?

Imo, Sinister's main attributes were his versatility and high regen, but maybe that's just me.