Gambit vs Nightwing

Originally posted by Supermutant
Not entirely true. He wasn't starving or dehydrated. And while he was having trouble controlling his power, he had even more abilities like being able to effect things just by looking at them and to effect organic tissue.

He even says, "even with my expanded powers, I still got it handed to be my Bullseye.

And Constrictor had the advantage on Gambit too until Deadpool shot him. Gambit was still in good enough condition to stalemate Crossbones with a lil help.

He dosent need to complain for it to be know that going days without food or water will hamper you,nor is fighting entire groups of assassins

In that fight his power malfunctioned, he threw a bunch of exploding cards at bullseye, rather than explode they simply bounced off, BS even caught one of them

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Gambit recently beat Fantomex?

Although, in the rematch, Fantonex was winning.

He had a broken jaw before their rematch though, courtesy of mystique

Originally posted by Genii96
He dosent need to complain for it to be know that going days without food or water will hamper you,nor is fighting entire groups of assassins

I remember Gambit and Rogue going to a bar/restaurant during this arc. So when did Gambit go on this fast? Also it depends on the type of assassins, and Gambit had help from his friends in the Thieves Guild. He had no problems with fodder like Zaran and Batroc, even beat both of them twice.

Originally posted by Genii96
In that fight his power malfunctioned, he threw a bunch of exploding cards at bullseye, rather than explode they simply bounced off, BS even caught one of them

Gambit was also able to survive Bullseye throwing a sai through his chest b/c of his enhanced power. And Gambit said, Bullseye was better, he didn't say Bullseye was better only b/c my powers couldn't be controlled at times during their fight.

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Originally posted by Supermutant
Yeah he was more powerful, which is mostly my point. Less in control but more powerful, and even stated his control was getting better (seen below) before the Bullseye fight.

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It would seem to me that being able to blow things up just by line of sight like Zaran's sword and Batroc's mustache lol, made Gambit a bigger threat than normal. So it would be more impressive to beat him with enhanced powers like Bullseye did.

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The "more in control" is a relative statement. Charging mustaches is an improvement over randomly charging people/objects like Rogue/Colossus/the pier like here.
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However, he almost blew up Belladonna's arm trying to save her. This is well after the Bullseye incident, indicating he still isn't in control.
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Again, after the Bullseye incident, Shadowcat scans Remy and describes his powers as "epileptic."
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Here, he reveals he's reluctant to cut loose with his new abilities, also after Bullseye. Even in this situation where he might be buried alive, he was still reluctant to use them if he didn't have to.
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Frankly, the whole arc featured a Gambit afraid and resentful of his power. Belladonna even calls Gambit out for being tentative against his assassins. There's other scans supporting this, but I'm not uploading this whole arc.

It's just a non-feat to beat him in this state man. Gambit's charged cards didn't even explode against Bullseye, and he ran most of the fight. A guy that can blow you up with a thought is clearly not trying if he loses to Bullseye.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Gambit recently beat Fantomex?

Although, in the rematch, Fantonex was winning.

Iron Man commented that Gambit is faster than his targeting systems....which is an insane feat. If Gambit is really that fast, maybe it's his speed/agility that allows him to go h2h with high end martial artists like Daredevil.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think the problem is trying to separate Gambit from his physical abilities. He's got good h2h feats, but his powers were active in most of them.

Iron Man commented that Gambit is faster than his targeting systems....which is an insane feat. If Gambit is really that fast, maybe it's his speed/agility that allows him to go h2h with high end martial artists like Daredevil.

Midnighter (DCnU) has similar feats and is faster than Gambit, yet Grayson held his own. Hell, he even fooled his computer brain, which is even more of a insane feat.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think the problem is trying to separate Gambit from his physical abilities. He's got good h2h feats, but his powers were active in most of them.

Iron Man commented that Gambit is faster than his targeting systems....which is an insane feat. If Gambit is really that fast, maybe it's his speed/agility that allows him to go h2h with high end martial artists like Daredevil.

The OP clarified that only his kinetic charges are not allowed,his physicals are.
He has also caught a fired bullet,and thrown it back,among other feats

Originally posted by Genii96
The OP clarified that only his kinetic charges are not allowed,his physicals are.
He has also caught a fired bullet,and thrown it back,among other feats

Not that impressive. Mids changed his clothes into his costume so fast, nobody saw it and this was when several people were firing their ammo. Grayson went up against that type of speed.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I gotta disagree. Immediately after the fight you posted, he agrees to get examined at the X Mansion. He says he can't get too excited, or he might lose control.
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The "more in control" is a relative statement. Charging mustaches is an improvement over randomly charging people/objects like Rogue/Colossus/the pier like here.
https://postimg.org/image/4k6dcb46z/
https://postimg.org/image/ital8483f/

However, he almost blew up Belladonna's arm trying to save her. This is well after the Bullseye incident, indicating he still isn't in control.
https://postimg.org/image/bz8ncgh2h/

Again, after the Bullseye incident, Shadowcat scans Remy and describes his powers as "epileptic."
https://postimg.org/image/gwdv3jhff/

Here, he reveals he's reluctant to cut loose with his new abilities, also after Bullseye. Even in this situation where he might be buried alive, he was still reluctant to use them if he didn't have to.
https://postimg.org/image/y0lzeqakb/

Frankly, the whole arc featured a Gambit afraid and resentful of his power. Belladonna even calls Gambit out for being tentative against his assassins. There's other scans supporting this, but I'm not uploading this whole arc.

It's just a non-feat to beat him in this state man. Gambit's charged cards didn't even explode against Bullseye, and he ran most of the fight. A guy that can blow you up with a thought is clearly not trying if he loses to Bullseye.

Your own scans showed Gambit's enhanced power being able to affect Colossus and Rogue. That's a feat by itself. And he used his powers against Batroc the jobber and Zaran the jobber master on another occasion. Also against Constrictor and vs Crossbones, Remy blew up his guns by just looking at them.

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I am also waiting for evidence that Gambit wasn't eating or drinking for many days before fighting Lester.

We can just disagree on the rest, but I think the fact that he could heal himself and affect organic tissue made him more dangerous even with sometimes having control issues.

The issue wasn't whether or not the power affected Rogue/Colossus. The issue was whether or not Gambit controlled it. He didn't. His power flared up randomly when he was under stress. His powers worked later against different opponents as he gained more control. That's irrelevant to the whole Bullseye thing though.

I'm not really sure what you're disagreeing with at this point. Bullseye fought a Gambit who's powers, on panel, malfunctioned mid-fight while Gambit was actively trying to avoid the battle. Just because they kicked in long enough for Gambit to survive a stab, again without retaliating, doesn't make him a threat.

It's just not a feat for Bullseye. It's worth about as little as Fat Cobra vs Deadpool.

Originally posted by Zack M
Midnighter (DCnU) has similar feats and is faster than Gambit, yet Grayson held his own. Hell, he even fooled his computer brain, which is even more of a insane feat.

This kind of debating is weird. Ironman is faster, stronger, and more durable than Midnighter and Nightwing and Gambit held his own. You see how debating like this means nothing.?

Anyways, this is a handicap match and Nightwing stomps.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The issue wasn't whether or not the power affected Rogue/Colossus. The issue was whether or not Gambit controlled it. He didn't. His power flared up randomly when he was under stress.

Actually the issue is whether Gambit not being in full control of his enhanced power made him more or less dangerous. The majority of evidence I have seen shows him more of a threat being able to bypass both Colossus and Rogue's durability casually.

Originally posted by StyleTime
His powers worked later against different opponents as he gained more control. That's irrelevant to the whole Bullseye thing though.

After Beast ran tests on Gambit, he stated that Gambit was "much more powerful....faster, stronger, and in perpetual biokinetic hyperactivity. So that means Remy stats were increased regardless of whether he had complete control.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm not really sure what you're disagreeing with at this point. Bullseye fought a Gambit who's powers, on panel, malfunctioned mid-fight while Gambit was actively trying to avoid the battle. Just because they kicked in long enough for Gambit to survive a stab, again without retaliating, doesn't make him a threat.

I'm actually agreeing with Gambit's own thoughts and statements. I have already shown where he stated Bullseye was better w/out any conditions to that. Furthermore, Remy said that he couldn't beat Lester even with his enhanced power. Gambit was actively trying to avoid battle b/c he didn't think he could win against Bullseye. But he fought Crossbones b/c he believed he could, malfunctioning enhanced power or not.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It's just not a feat for Bullseye. It's worth about as little as Fat Cobra vs Deadpool.

It is a good feat for Bullseye to defeat Gambit with enhanced powers so convincingly and so fast. It was also mentioned that Remy had never been beaten that badly.

Also it is interesting that a lot of times when this Arc is brought up, some people act like Gambit was powerless, helpless, starving, and dehydrated. In addition they make claims like Gambit was fighting the most elite assassins in the world single-handedly. When on panel evidence shows him with greatly enhanced power, others like the Thieves Guild helping him, and fighting mostly jobbers. I'm still waiting on any proof about him not eating or drinking for days prior to fighting Bullseye.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Actually the issue is whether Gambit not being in full control of his enhanced power made him more or less dangerous. The majority of evidence I have seen shows him more of a threat being able to bypass both Colossus and Rogue's durability casually.

Originally posted by Supermutant
It is a good feat for Bullseye to defeat Gambit with enhanced powers so convincingly and so fast. It was also mentioned that Remy had never been beaten that badly.

You're raving about extra powers he never used on Bullseye because they weren't working at the time. In their particular fight, Gambit's powers failed and he tried to run. It isn't a good feat. There was no fight.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Also it is interesting that a lot of times when this Arc is brought up, some people act like Gambit was powerless, helpless, starving, and dehydrated. In addition they make claims like Gambit was fighting the most elite assassins in the world single-handedly. When on panel evidence shows him with greatly enhanced power, others like the Thieves Guild helping him, and fighting mostly jobbers.

New Sun points out Gambit was also exhausted and disoriented during the whole ordeal.
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Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm still waiting on any proof about him not eating or drinking for days prior to fighting Bullseye.

I forgot how fast Gsmbit is. Yea, he takes it

Originally posted by Vanguard
I forgot how fast Gsmbit is. Yea, he takes it

LOL! No. Midnighter is much faster, yet Grayson did decently well against him.

Ah, I see what you're saying.

Midnighter has trouble with skilled fighters. Good to know. 131

Grayson has had a good push lately. He also stalemated Batman, as well.

With Midnighter, he never actually defeated him, but he kept up with him pretty well. With help from Spyral tech, of course.