Why is Exar Kun regarded as the greatest ancient duelist?

I feel Exar Kun's placement is more baselessly accepted than actually first being critically examined.

His feats (stalemating Droma, killing Vodo) certainly don't place him as the top dog, nor do his accolades.

And his unorthodoxy is specific for the time period, who weren't familiar with double-bladed lightsabers like later eras.

It's not even like he invented the double-bladed lightsaber at this point, with SWTOR having Sith thousands of years prior wielding it.

Because he shits gold.

I never really understood it either.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I never really understood it either.

Who actually compares?

Tulak Hord, Freedom Nadd, Revan, Arcann, and the Outlander.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tulak Hord, Freedom Nadd, Revan, and the Outlander.

Nadd's at least comparable. He performed admirably against Tremayne before growing vastly in power. He then slays Sadow.

And so? He's the greatest of the pre-Exar Kun Sith Lords in dueling, tore through armies of Jedi on the battlefield, etc.

The time gap between Revan and Kun are mere decades. So, yeah. Note I'm referring to pre-Banite characters as "ancient."

Sure is Nadd comparable.
Yeah, but that didn't place him >Kun, imo.
Fair enough. For me is only pre-Kun or pre-KOTOR ancient.
Its hard for me to rank rhe Outlander and Revan as duelists.

All Carthage asked was who "compares," not who's better. 😬

Originally posted by DarthAnt66 His feats (stalemating Droma, killing Vodo) certainly don't place him as the top dog, nor do his accolades.

Kun could've stalemated Droma for hours on end. That means not a single mistake on either combatant's part, no openings, nothing. A showing like that has only been replicated by Mace Windu and Darth Sidious during their duel, when they were noted to be locked in an eternal stalemate. If that doesn't place him as the top ancient, I don't know what will.

And his unorthodoxy is specific for the time period, who weren't familiar with double-bladed lightsabers like later eras.

Except that Kun's style is fundamentally different from the traditional saber staff fighting style. Literally any foe from any era who's not exponentially faster than Kun would be left scrambling against him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nadd's at least comparable. He performed admirably against Tremayne before growing vastly in power. He then slays Sadow.

And so? He's the greatest of the pre-Exar Kun Sith Lords in dueling, tore through armies of Jedi on the battlefield, etc.

The time gap between Revan and Kun are mere decades. So, yeah. Note I'm referring to pre-Banite characters as "ancient."

With Avellone backing her up, we can assume that means shes calling him (Quite Possibly) the best sith duelist up to that point.

Originally posted by Azronger
Kun could've stalemated Droma for hours on end. That means not a single mistake on either combatant's part, no openings, nothing. A showing like that has only been replicated by Mace Windu and Darth Sidious during their duel, when they were noted to be locked in an eternal stalemate. If that doesn't place him as the top ancient, I don't know what will.

Except that Kun's style is fundamentally different from the traditional saber staff fighting style. Literally any foe from any era who's not exponentially faster than Kun would be left scrambling against him.

Both of those techniques can be predicted and adjusted by any powerful Force user with danger sense or precognition.

I guess because they outright state that he is the most powerful of his lineage.

Most people imply that his lineage is the ancients, due to him being repeatedly called one.

But they also called Revan an "Ancient Force User" in TOR.

Which, if true, makes him the best.

This is gonna be heresy to some, but . . .

Revan could take Kun in sabers. 😛

Heresy!

I could buy Hord being above just by hype and Traya's insinuations.

Exar Kun has:

a) His saber prodigiousness in inventing his double bladed style
b) His ENORMOUS lead over everyone else in his era in his prime
c) His shattering of beskar
d) His demonstrated strength in the Force

From that, I put him at ~ Dooku as a duelist.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I could buy Hord being above just by hype and Traya's insinuations.

Exar Kun has:

a) His saber prodigiousness in inventing his double bladed style
b) His ENORMOUS lead over everyone else in his era in his prime
c) His shattering of beskar
d) His demonstrated strength in the Force

From that, I put him at ~ Dooku as a duelist.

a.) I don't think he invented it. Rather he got it based off of Naga Sadow's teachings.

b.) There's no enormous disparity between him and Droma, really.

c.) I recall him only being capable of doing that by raising his lightsaber intensity to the max. I also thought Nadd helped him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
a.) I don't think he invented it. Rather he got it based off of Naga Sadow's teachings.

Really?

b.) There's no enormous disparity between him and Droma, really.

Didn't Kun grow more powerful after they had stalemated?

c.) I recall him only being capable of doing that by raising his lightsaber intensity to the max. I also thought Nadd helped him.

I could've sworn he shattered it with his hands. AP would know.

I never seen a quote that he invented it, whereas we know everything else he did was based on Sadow.

Yeah, but so did Ulic-Qel Droma, I imagine. It's said Kun had to unleash all his power and tricks to defeat Vodo, who didn't even want to kill him.

Are you referring to the shattering of the Mandalorian door? He did that with his lightsaber.