Originally posted by Galan007
Hourman still possessed a fraction of the Worlogog, which enabled he and the JSA(with which he shared his fraction of the 'gog) to exploit Extant's only weakness: the fact that he didn't quite possess a complete Worlogog... IOW, it was infinitesimally 'flawed'. Here is a better in-universe explanation:
http://i.imgur.com/jBmKpqg.jpg
ie. only the 'gog can beat the 'gog.Had Extant sapped Hourman of his fraction of the 'gog as well, he would have quite literally been unbeatable... But writers always need to build in a plot-device with characters on this level, after all.
That's right, the Warlogog is pretty much never in one piece. I think only the Hourman android ever possessed the entire thing, and he's the one who split it up in the first place. Because Batman was just being a dick about how stupidly overpowered he is, and Rex took him seriously. 🙂
But the entire 'Gog is so powerful, it takes an equally omnipotent plot device to fight it, like an Infinity Gauntlet, or Lucifer and Archangel Michael, or a 5d imp, or Superman.
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The only characters to ever hold a complete Worlogog for any notable amount of time are Hourman Android, Metron, and Darkseid(Rock of Ages.)
Anyway, even at his base level Extant still had control over the most powerful destructive energy in DC which, like I mentioned earlier, he used to destroy several universes/realities/timelines on panel during ZH -- not even concepts like Death can survive Entropy.
And in this thread Extant ALSO has the Worlogog, which gives him...for all intents and purposes...unlimited power(even an incomplete 'gog can casually create universes ex nihilo, and permanently freeze universal big bangs in time.) On top of that, he ALSO gains the omniscience that goes along with possession of the 'gog:
http://i.imgur.com/XOkfjeJ.jpg
ie. he literally knows ALL.
Lastly, most of these 'all-powerful' artifacts(like the IG, for example) require the user to naturally acclimate/adjust to the omnipotence they gain from it. The 'gog doesn't work that way. When a character obtains the 'gog, they receive automatic upgrades and can fully comprehend/perceive its totality:
http://i.imgur.com/Gf9I3D0.jpg
IOW, even a n00b with the 'gog can use it to its full potential.
This is Extant's fight to lose.
I seem to recall Jamie's reality warping abilities being resisted by (even pre-upgrade) Meggan's shape shifting powers. Given that the Worlogog also grants omniscience it shouldn't be hard for Extant to replicate that.
Originally posted by ghostman
post jamie braddock scans
Jamie was treating other realities like they were mere comic books, is this what you were looking for?
Meggan is quite exceptional though.
Jamie's powers extend to space/time, as he displayed when he resurrected psylocke, and he had no problem manipulating the white hot room so I'd say he can operate on universal + stuff.
That said he doesn't have the output/destruction feats of Worlogog, and a few low-end durability showings.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Meggan is quite exceptional though.Jamie's powers extend to space/time, as he displayed when he resurrected psylocke, and he had no problem manipulating the white hot room so I'd say he can operate on universal + stuff.
That said he doesn't have the output/destruction feats of Worlogog, and a few low-end durability showings.
Jamie's powers do extent to space/time of course, he can literally toy with entire universes and was seemingly above Alfie, who is another reality warper capable of beating universal beings (John w/ Alfie's powers was able to take out M'Gubgub).
However, this all doesn't change the fact that he manipulates reality by the strings which make up the universe (which Jamie can percieve and manipulate), Meggan's ability to resist his warping was directly attributed to her shape-shifting abilities. Extant's omniscience would make him aware of that and replicate it if needed. Although now that you mention Betsy, he was able to endow her with immunity to reality warping, but i don't recall that being tested against any major reality warpers.
As far as power output is concerned, the 'gog is very similar to the IG, and also grants its user automatic omniscience... And that is aside from Extant's natural ability to generate Entropy rifts.
So yeah, that trick should be well within his ability, imo... Though I don't think he would really need to go that route. /shrug
Originally posted by operator616
I seem to recall Jamie's reality warping abilities being resisted by (even pre-upgrade) Meggan's shape shifting powers. Given that the Worlogog also grants omniscience it shouldn't be hard for Extant to replicate that.Jamie was treating other realities like they were mere comic books, is this what you were looking for?
ahh yes, thats the one!!
Originally posted by Galan007Wait isnt entropy like in its own dimension [that's why supes and waverider bfrd doomsday there]? So how does extant even use entropy? does he like tap into the entropy force or something lol?
As far as power output is concerned, the 'gog is very similar to the IG, and also grants its user automatic omniscience... And that is aside from Extant's natural ability to generate Entropy rifts.So yeah, that trick should be well within his ability, imo... Though I don't think he would really need to go that route. /shrug
^ Entropy isn't confined to its own dimension per se. Entropy represents the force that eventually consumes the whole of existence at the end of time. Here are a few examples:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/ZH0ibHx.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/YUHLR3R.jpg
3.) http://i.imgur.com/5JOpAZe.jpg
*That's why it destroys absolutely everything it touches: time, space, matter, energy, concepts, etc. etc... Without special circumstances/plot-devices in place, nothing can survive it.
Extant can channel that force because he is literally composed of pure Entropic/chronal energy. He radiates it naturally -- to the point where the essence of time itself actually breaks down around him:
http://i.imgur.com/Cg9WGLm.jpg
What's more, he also has very fine-tuned/precision control over his Entropic powers. For example, he can use them to instantly age beings to near-death, like he did to the JSA:
http://i.imgur.com/sPwdyCk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pk4Tr5O.jpg
Or de-age beings to a protoplasmic state, like he did to the Atom:
http://i.imgur.com/14b9a3X.jpg
Or simply unmake specific groups of characters, like he did to the Leymen:
http://i.imgur.com/ZXJYQNH.jpg
Or make different types of energy burn-out/expire, like he did to Alan's ring:
http://i.imgur.com/rCj2jUV.jpg
But of course, Extant can also release Entropy in a very broad range and unmake entire universes/realities/timelines:
http://i.imgur.com/XeHtfde.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aZUWr0q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PLB1xsw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aCIr6zS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ogLgmyX.jpg
Proof that Extant was releasing those Entropy rifts:
1.) http://i.imgur.com/zzkSFBv.jpg
2.) http://i.imgur.com/vPID9o1.jpg
*And again: that is Extant's base level. None of the above even factors-in the omnipotence/omniscience gained from Worlogog. 👆
"shapeshiffting" ... that's kinda funny.
Jamie survived and perhaps defeated (off-panel) an abstract concept called, the "First Fallen."
The First Fallen, in the story it was portrayed with Jamie,
was the embodiment of the fire that burns all reality via the Big Bang.
Jamie has proven to be more powerful than the most powerful reality warper in a universe. (Alfie)
Jamie can control universes (Alfie's reality) via real world comic books. (4th wall powa in affect)
Jamie can create universes ... AND ...
... Jamie can create alternates of himself that are absolute universal powers, and then control the alternate's actions.
Jamie withstood his consciousness being spread instantly across the omniverse, then stomped his opponent.
Jamie was manipulating events across the omniverse in HOM.
In fact, Jamie orchestrated the salvation of reality during HOM.
Jamie seemed to be the only thing truly un-affected by the Chaos Wave.
Jamie merged Jaspers and the Fury.
Jamie (with his index finger and thumb) warped a multiversal/omniversal Nexus.
616 Jamie's future-self, (Goat-Monk) became the Omniversal-God!
(a stipulated indirect circumstance was needed to de-throne his God status)
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Just a little perspective off the top of my head on Jamie.
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Who wins?
My unprovable opinion in this cross-company match is pointless.
I submitted earlier that Jamie wins in jest, but really, who the hell knows.
These cats have established histories/powersets/and understandings in their respective companies,
these details clash in contradiction when we pit them against each other.
Which is why I'm not so eager to suggest who wins when cats are separated by comic lines.
I guess it comes down to durability, weakness, and first to act.
For example, if Jaime has a durability weakness or can be drained or power snuffed then Extant (with Gog) will know before the bell and be first to act.
If Jaime doesn't have any weaknesses and Extant does (durability or he can be reality warped) then it's possible for Jaime to win if he acts first.
So again, this fights deals with who acts first and who is susceptible to what type of attack.
Question: Does Jaime have human durability? Meaning, can he be shot in the head from a sniper if he's isn't aware?
