Originally posted by SunRazer
Perhaps, but not enough to overcome Tyranus' advantage as a fencer, I don't think.
Force Fight only, so I'm gonna ignore dis 😛
It's not that impressive, and certainly not better than Tyranus' showings.
Perhaps battering down the tattered remains of the Lehon temple isn't as comparable as throwing around ancient cruisers, but thanks to logical assumption and Bane's growth in power, we can correctly estimate that Bane should be able to achieve the same feat without the need of a nexus.
Now his telekinetic ability shouldn't be entirely dismissed, he has been able to break the defenses of Qordis, who was stated by Palpatine to be among the strongest of BoD. A kindly reminder to you, Nova, that this Bane before his prime.
Fair enough. But even if Bane was more powerful Tyranus could certainly contend per his showings with the cruisers and other scaling methods.
I dont doubt that the Good Count could contend with Bane in an epic battle.
Likewise, I'm inclined to believe that his superiority as a swordsman should see him through. In a contest between two combatants where one holds the slight edge with the blade and one holds the slight edge in the Force, the former tends to triumph. I'm inclined to believe that would be the case here as well.
ah, but is that slight edge enough to give Bane the majority win? Curious what you have to say. The floor is yours, Novahkiin.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Perhaps battering down the tattered remains of the Lehon temple isn't as comparable as throwing around ancient cruisers, but thanks to logical assumption and Bane's growth in power, we can correctly estimate that Bane should be able to achieve the same feat without the need of a nexus.
Don't forget that Bane gathered his energies whilst Kas'im talked.
Now his telekinetic ability shouldn't be entirely dismissed, he has been able to break the defenses of Qordis, who was stated by Palpatine to be among the strongest of BoD. A kindly reminder to you, Nova, that this Bane before his prime.
Not particularly special. Dooku's routinely shown the ability to break the defenses of more powerful figures. His ability to wreck vastly more powerful beings in Ventress gives him the edge in any comparison of characters dominated.
ah, but is that slight edge enough to give Bane the majority win? Curious what you have to say. The floor is yours, Novahkiin.
Depends. I'm honestly reconsidering whether Bane has the Force edge now, to be honest. Anything to convince me?
Since Bane in DOE stated he's stronger than any other point in time in the past that means he could wipe out a planets surface. Coupled with the fact that he's stated to have surpassed all Sith before him including Vitiate and Nihilus who could also life wipe a planet the scaling fits. This all depends however much you think Dooku benefits from the RO2 scaling.
Originally posted by The Merchant
I would assume that statement of his includes his Ruusan ritual which really was just him getting his power amp'd by 30+ Sith. If we're including his Lehon feat as him being ampd to his statement of being stronger than before I don't see why we can't extend that to the Ruusan Ritual X3.
The quote about Bane more powerful than ever doesn't mean that he could do the ritual on a whim 😬
It wasn't really even a ritual though, it was just him getting his power amplified by 30+ Sith just like how Lehon a DS nexus would amplify his power unless there's more info to that "ritual" I have yet to see. There's also how he surpassed all other Sith before him and how his power was the greatest Dark Side energy Cognus has ever seen who witnessed the destruction of Ambria, another life wiping event. Of course this doesn't mean Dooku is out, but it depends how much you think the followers of Palpatine benefit from the RO2 scaling.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Don't forget that Bane gathered his energies whilst Kas'im talked.
A less powerful incarnation of Bane, DoE Bane should have no issue doing the same, and achieving greater results.
Not particularly special. Dooku's routinely shown the ability to break the defenses of more powerful figures. His ability to wreck vastly more powerful beings in Ventress gives him the edge in any comparison of characters dominated.
Didn't Bane nearly destroy RoT Zannah? I sincerely doubt dominatimg Ventress is out of Bane's reach.
Also, chéri. You're wasting your time on this argument, there are much more effective counters to the Qordis feat 😛
Depends. I'm honestly reconsidering whether Bane has the Force edge now, to be honest. Anything to convince me?
Well, how does scaling the Banite Sith work for Tyranus when in fact it only applies to the Masters that overcame their predecessors? One cannot logically applies this to Dooku for a plethora of reasons.
Simply look at Bane's ability to shield himself and endurance. From shielding himself in the Vacuum of space, to surviving his own deadly barrage of lightning and more. What can the Count do that Bane hasn't already experienced?
A less powerful incarnation of Bane, DoE Bane should have no issue doing the same, and achieving greater results.
Perhaps.
Didn't Bane nearly destroy RoT Zannah? I sincerely doubt dominatimg Ventress is out of Bane's reach.
That's not what I said. I said dominating Ventress > dominating Qordis, which it is. I also said that Dooku's record of dominating Force users surpasses Bane's, which is also true.
Also, chéri. You're wasting your time on this argument, there are much more effective counters to the Qordis feat
No, I'm just curious as to how Qordis is supposed to be special when Dooku's done better.
Well, how does scaling the Banite Sith work for Tyranus when in fact it only applies to the Masters that overcame their predecessors? One cannot logically applies this to Dooku for a plethora of reasons.
Since when did I ever apply Banite Sith scaling for Tyranus? Your herrings are redder than Tyranus' blade, lol.
Simply look at Bane's ability to shield himself and endurance. From shielding himself in the Vacuum of space, to surviving his own deadly barrage of lightning and more. What can the Count do that Bane hasn't already experienced?
Hurl 215m cruisers with ease? Kill people who were relatively unharmed by rancors falling on them with Force Lightning whilst mortally injured?
Isn't it better to mention how Ventress endured and survived being choked by Anakin, and then getting electrecuted via several of Coruscant's power cables(which, IIRC, hold a significant deal of energy in them) before falling down?
I mean, that blows getting sat on by a rancor out of the water.
Also, getting smashed by a pillar.
Originally posted by SunRazer
That's not what I said. I said dominating Ventress > dominating Qordis, which it is. I also said that Dooku's record of dominating Force users surpasses Bane's, which is also true.
The point is conceded, then. However we will yield no result if we merely compare the combatants foes and not their own ability.
I'll begin.
No, I'm just curious as to how Qordis is supposed to be special when Dooku's done better.
I merely drew a comparison between the two, both have been considered powerful by Sidious, no? Why should Bane's feat of utterly destroying Qordis be any less impressive when both are clearly strong in Sidious' eyes?
Since when did I ever apply Banite Sith scaling for Tyranus? Your herrings are redder than Tyranus' blade, lol.
You mentioned that Dooku is above Bane through scaling methods, I figured Banite scaling was what you had in mind.
[b[Hurl 215m cruisers with ease? Kill people who were relatively unharmed by rancors falling on them with Force Lightning whilst mortally injured? [/B]
Destroying the temple while greatly amped by both Lehon and the Temple, then becoming more powerful than that iteration of him and the iteration that was encased in the Orbalisks suggest he is capable of the same Telekinetic power, if not more so.
As for your lightning feat.
Clenching the fingers of his left hand tight against his open palm, Bane wheeled toward the two men on his right and thrust his fist up into the air. A dozen forks of blue lightning arced out from above his head to envelop the screaming soldiers, cooking them alive. Shrieking in agony, they danced and twitched like marionettes on electric strings for several seconds before their smoking husks collapsed on the ground.Darth Bane: Rule of Two
As well as this.
Bane didn't take the time to revel in the fear of his fallen enemies. Before they even hit the ground he'd turned his attention to the third opponent, unleashing a storm of Sith lightning that reduced the riders to ash and the drexl into a hunk of charred and smoking flesh that dropped from the sky.Darth Bane: Rule of Two
Bane's lightning is equally as powerful as that of Tyranus. So I doubt that the Count has any edge in this department.
Your move.