Drax ripping off the head of alt universe Namor shouldn't be fully dismissed just because it is alt universe and doesn't have feats to draw on. It should be understood that Namor from any universe unless specifically shown or stated is much less weaker and less durable than 616 Namor should be a pretty tough character. If anything this should be considered a high feat for Drax. Hell we know on panel that Alt Quasar from the same universe is pretty powerful and considered to be a Quasar level danger. Comics leverage this abilty all the time. When I say ability I mean that they can brutally kill off alt universe characters without fear of negative feedback because the very nature of using alt u verse allows for more operating room storywise. They can't have Drax ripping off the head of 616 Namor can they(*sarcasm*)? Now if it was Alt Cap or alt Wanda's head he ripped off, then that isn't much of a feat. But a character with the name Namor attached to it? That has to account for something.
I mean if Deathstroke survived a nuke while he was in an alt universe, do we say that it's because the nuke had followed different laws of physics since there's no proof of nukes in that universe to be as powerful as 616 nukes?
Like the planet in Umar's dimension that WbH/WBB blew up isn't all of a sudden made of fluff.
I agree that you have to somewhat lessen the feat since the character is virtually restless, but to dismiss it fully Imo is wrong.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Drax ripping off the head of alt universe Namor shouldn't be fully dismissed just because it is alt universe and doesn't have feats to draw on. It should be understood that Namor from any universe unless specifically shown or stated is much less weaker and less durable than 616 Namor should be a pretty tough character. If anything this should be considered a high feat for Drax. Hell we know on panel that Alt Quasar from the same universe is pretty powerful and considered to be a Quasar level danger. Comics leverage this abilty all the time. When I say ability I mean that they can brutally kill off alt universe characters without fear of negative feedback because the very nature of using alt u verse allows for more operating room storywise. They can't have Drax ripping off the head of 616 Namor can they(*sarcasm*)? Now if it was Alt Cap or alt Wanda's head he ripped off, then that isn't much of a feat. But a character with the name Namor attached to it? That has to account for something.I mean if Deathstroke survived a nuke while he was in an alt universe, do we say that it's because the nuke had followed different laws of physics since there's no proof of nukes in that universe to be as powerful as 616 nukes?
Like the planet in Umar's dimension that WbH/WBB blew up isn't all of a sudden made of fluff.
I agree that you have to somewhat lessen the feat since the character is virtually restless, but to dismiss it fully Imo is wrong.
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Originally posted by StyleTime
His current form is consistently low meta unless I missed something. The feats being mentioned all have big context behind them. My opinion I know, but I just can't see a stomp happening.👆
He sucked even by fodder standards. Introduced and killed in the same couple of pages. Only thing worse is being one shot killed by Karnak like the other Smasher.
He's never been presented as a low meta. A low meta doesn't kill Lunatik and a Blood Brothers with two steak knives. Slade would have suffered a worse fate had he been in the room.
@celey:
Surfer soloed a whole Group of the Revengers effortlessly, even cracking jokes, it was that easy for him.
Cosmo took Cancerverse Hulk out easily, using an attack 616 Hulk would've tanked IMO.
IOW, sure, having the Namor brand counts for something. But not much (as we both agree).
@BAV: Was it the same Lunatik? He looked different from the one Surfer fought last time.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I mean if Deathstroke survived a nuke while he was in an alt universe, do we say that it's because the nuke had followed different laws of physics since there's no proof of nukes in that universe to be as powerful as 616 nukes?Like the planet in Umar's dimension that WbH/WBB blew up isn't all of a sudden made of fluff.
I agree that you have to somewhat lessen the feat since the character is virtually restless, but to dismiss it fully Imo is wrong.
It's not just that it's an alternate Namor. It's that it's an alternate Namor with different powers, a different appearance, and his universes's 616 analogues came off weaker in many instances too. It's clear their world's inhabitants aren't the same.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's never been presented as a low meta. A low meta doesn't kill Lunatik and a Blood Brothers with two steak knives. Slade would have suffered a worse fate had he been in the room.
Steak knives? We have no idea where Drax got the knives from. He could have grabbed them from that store or from one of the dead Kyln guards, just like Paibok grabbed the distress beacon off panel. They could be adamantium for all we know. If he grabbed them from the store, it just diminishes the feat. Getting stabbed by regular hunting knives is a pretty shitty durability showing for the Blood Bros. Just sayin'.
They have been one-shotted by Rogue. Let's not pretend we're talking about Juggernaught here.
Originally posted by StyleTime
If the other nuke's were shown to have different properties, then yes we would assume that.It's not just that it's an alternate Namor. It's that it's an alternate Namor with different powers, a different appearance, and his universes's 616 analogues came off weaker in many instances too. It's clear their world's inhabitants aren't the same.
He hasn't done anything a low meta couldn't do. Lunatik clearly went changes in his time off. He could be weaker, just like Drax. Not only that, but Drax didn't fight Lunatik. He sneak attacked Lunatik with the knives for a decapitation. Give Slade strong enough weapons and he'd do the same.
Steak knives? We have no idea where Drax got the knives from. He could have grabbed them from that store or from one of the dead Kyln guards, just like Paibok grabbed the distress beacon off panel. They could be adamantium for all we know. If he grabbed them from the store, it just diminishes the feat. Getting stabbed by regular hunting knives is a pretty shitty durability showing for the Blood Bros. Just sayin'.
They have been one-shotted by Rogue. Let's not pretend we're talking about Juggernaught here.
Man, you are coughing up scenarios to try to diminish Drax and you know it. There has been no indication in over a decade that the knives were any thing other than conventional. The manner in which he wielded those knives allowed him to penetrate the hide of Lunatik and the Blood Brothers. It's no different than Bullseye slicing people up with playing cards. It's called skill. Nice try, but there is nothing wrong with the bad guys durability in that story. Drax would spite stomp the shit out of the Batman foe.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@celey:
Surfer soloed a whole Group of the Revengers effortlessly, even cracking jokes, it was that easy for him.Cosmo took Cancerverse Hulk out easily, using an attack 616 Hulk would've tanked IMO.
IOW, sure, having the Namor brand counts for something. But not much (as we both agree).
@BAV: Was it the same Lunatik? He looked different from the one Surfer fought last time.
He looked different, but still jacked up and hulking. It was never explained whether it was the same guy or not. Could have been artist interpretation. But he was confident enough to attack Drax. Drax ****ing beheaded him with two daggers, killed a Blood Brother as well.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Man, you are coughing up scenarios to try to diminish Drax and you know it. There has been no indication in over a decade that the knives were any thing other than conventional. The manner in which he wielded those knives allowed him to penetrate the hide of Lunatik and the Blood Brothers. It's no different than Bullseye slicing people up with playing cards. It's called skill. Nice try, but there is nothing wrong with the bad guys durability in that story. Drax would spite stomp the shit out of the Batman foe.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He looked different, but still jacked up and hulking. It was never explained whether it was the same guy or not. Could have been artist interpretation. But he was confident enough to attack Drax. Drax ****ing beheaded him with two daggers, killed a Blood Brother as well.