Originally posted by Azronger
Tell that to TORE, TOR Codex, and Force and Destiny. Canon > you.
As I pointed out earlier, the ritual spanned 10 days straight in duration. That is a lot of time to mentally enslave the participants, even gradually.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
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Fury boiled his blood at the thought of waiting any longer. The rage called for release, and the Emperor knew that with a thought he could destroy his opulent office. He could crack the building's foundation, rain rubble on the heads of those unlucky beings trapped within. He could, with the full power of his anger, unleash a fireball of death.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.
My point is that one account does not retcons the other.Thousands of Sith would have participated in the ritual on their own accord but this does not dismisses the possibility that Vitiate telepathically enslaved them at a later stage of the ritual.
The ritual in question lasted 10 days. That is a lot of time to enslave participants.
Originally posted by Azronger
Fury boiled his blood at the thought of waiting any longer. The rage called for release, and the Emperor knew that with a thought he could destroy his opulent office. He could crack the building's foundation, rain rubble on the heads of those unlucky beings trapped within. He could, with the full power of his anger, unleash a fireball of death.-Rebel Force: Target
This is the Imperial Palace:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Mentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.
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B/W A quality post from you after a long time. Not convinced yet, but credit where due.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Mentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.
Very good point. The thought bomb - which was based on the Nathema ritual - had a similar effect on its participants.
Githany knew there was something very wrong with Lord Kaan. She had suspected something was amiss when they had fled the arriving Jedi reinforcements. When they landed back at camp, Kaan had disappeared into the communications tent, then reappeared moments later and gone into his own tent without speaking a word. But when he emerged from his tent, the irresistible force of his charisma was back in place. He came to them then not as a defeated leader seeking to make amends but as a conquering hero, defiant and unbowed. He stood proud, the picture of might and glory.
He spoke to them, his voice strong and his words bold, radiating authority. He spoke of leading them in a joining of their minds, a ritual that would far surpass the one Bane had led them in only hours earlier. He told them of a terrible weapon they would unleash against their foes. He rekindled their faith and hope by revealing the existence of the thought bomb.
He had promised them victory, as he had done so many times before. And, as they had always done in the past, the Brotherhood had followed him once again. Followed him here to this cave, though Githany wasn't sure if it was more accurate to say they had been led-or lured.
She had followed him along with everyone else, compelled by the passion of his words and the sheer magnitude of his personality and presence. All thoughts that he might be unstable or unfit to lead them had been forgotten in the heady pilgrimage through the night to the shelter of this cave. Once they reached their destination, though, the exhilarating rush had faded away, replaced by a stark and undeniable clarity. And she had finally seen the truth revealed in the illumination of the glow rods reflected in the crystals of the cavern walls.
Kaan's appearance and garb weren't unusual, apart from the dust, grime, and blood of the recent battle. But now Githany could see a crazed look in his eyes; they were wide and wild and shone with a fierce intensity, sparkling as brightly as the crystal shards all around them. Those eyes brought back memories of the night she had surprised Kaan in his tent. The night she had seen her vision of Bane's return.
He had looked disheveled and frantic, lost and confused. For a brief moment she had glimpsed him as he truly was: a false prophet, unable to see past his own delusions. And then the flickering vision had disappeared, forgotten until this instant.
Now, however, the memory came flooding back, and Githany knew she was following a madman. The arrival of the Jedi reinforcements and the shocking defeat had caused something inside him to snap. Kaan was leading them to their doom, and none of the others could sense it.
She didn't dare to speak out against him. Not here in this cave, surrounded by his once again fanatically loyal followers. She wanted to sneak away, slip quietly off into the darkness beyond the radiance of the glow rods, and escape this horrible fate. But she was caught up by the crush of bodies that surged forward at Kaan's command.
And so on