Senya vs. Darth Maul

Maul should sweep.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's the case for the vast majority of ragdoll instances, he still had to break her shields first to pull it off.

Altogether it doesn't make a very compelling case for Senya have e88t-tier Force defenses.

No he hadn't, her defenses weren't focused on him. The fact that Vaylin, probably a superior Force user compared to Maul, did everything she could in her fight against Senya and yet still didn't attack her directly speakes volumes, it's a far better way to judge her defenses then some vague situation.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
No he hadn't, her defenses weren't focused on him.

The fact that Vaylin, probably a superior Force user compared to Maul, did everything she could in her fight against Senya and yet still didn't attack her directly speakes volumes, it's a far better way to judge her defenses then some vague situation.

He's arguing her focus was diverted between multiple sources and thus her overall defense was weaker.

Which still means Heskel would have had to break her defenses, quite.

It would mean he'd have to break through much weaker then normal defenses.

That's a pretty arbitary claim to make, ngl.

Regardless, but all accounts Vaylin is much more powerful than Heskel, and he knocked Senya out. So Vaylin should be at the very least able to grip Senya if given the opportunity and/or had full grasp over her powers.

But the bottomline is we never see Senya defend against Vaylin's Force powers with her own, and her performance against Heskel does nothing to substantiate your claim.

Weird you don't apply the same principle to Assoka 🙂

I do these days, and because of it, everyone else will suffer. 🙂

I'm going to make this short because you actually managed to make me lose my patience. Senya's defenses are diverted because she's (trying) to focus on multiple sources, so her defenses aren't comparable to the ones she can put up in a 1 vs 1 situation. Let me even give you another example, in S4 from TCW Savage manages to defeat Obi-Wan in a few blows because he latter had to devide his focus between Maul and Savage (unless you're willing to argue that Savage >>> Obi-Wan and thus Maul >>>>> Obi-Wan because he stomped Savage).

Lelelelel, don't bust a hernia on my account.

Aside from your trollop example though I've addressed all of that already.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's a pretty arbitary claim to make, ngl.

Regardless, but all accounts Vaylin is much more powerful than Heskel, and he knocked Senya out. So Vaylin should be at the very least able to grip Senya if given the opportunity and/or had full grasp over her powers.

But the bottomline is we never see Senya defend against Vaylin's Force powers with her own, and her performance against Heskel does nothing to substantiate your claim.

Not a claim as it's a pretty common occurrence in Star Wars. Regardless who's to say Vaylin has full control of her powers by this point?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lelelelel, don't bust a hernia on my account.

Aside from your trollop example though I've addressed all of that already.

You've adressed nothing, you just denied it while my "trollop example" only reinforces my argument, so yes I accept your concession.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Not a claim as it's a pretty common occurrence in Star Wars. Regardless who's to say Vaylin has full control of her powers by this point?

2. Her lacklustre TK attack against Senya?

Stalemate. When the fighting ends, no one will continue fighting.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Unless your about to argue she was defenceless DD, you really don't have a point. And now you're just shooting yourself in the foot, if "everything she could" amounts to lifting up a bit of metal and throwing it, we come full circle i.e. Vaylin is simply not a very good Force combatant.

https://i.imgur.com/Ca9ARgV.mp4

Sorry, a fairly large bit of metal.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. And which of these occurrences proves the decline in defence is dramatic?

2. Her lacklustre TK attack against Senya?

Kanan and the Inquisitors. When he's facing both of them at once his focus is diverted and the SS is able to choke him despite later engagements ending as stalemates until other external factors came into play.

Yes. Not to mention it's her own mother she's fighting so she's obviously going to be emotionally conflicted.

Because he got stronger. 😕

Bingo.

To the point he closes a gap that's supposedly substantial enough for him to get choked despite only having minimally weakened defenses? :/

Cool.

Alright, I'm off to school.