Vader was weaker and confused during his battle with Luke (not fully in tuned with the dark side). Ironically, the issue he had during his battle with Obiwan. Regardless of whether he was intentionally holding back, he wasn't at peak performance as we see him when dispatching the likes of Ahsoka, Kanan or Ezra. As such, I give this battle to ROTS Anakin provided it's the Anakin who beat Dooku.
Originally posted by Dark-KenshinThere are other quotes from the RotJ novel that vindicate Luke's triumph over his father.
Which was the case when that novel was written, but now we got stuff like Anakin seeing Sidious' frenzy against Mace, not to mention Anakin's own frenzy against Dooku, so I dunno.
"Lord Vader did not mind waiting, though, nor was even aware of it. For it was an honor, and a noble activity, to kneel at his ruler's feet. He kept his eyes inward, seeking reflection in his own bottomless core. His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
He felt engorged with this power, it surged like black fire, demon electrons looking for ground... But he would wait. For his Emperor was not ready; and his son was not ready, and the time was not yet. So he waited." - Return of the Jedi
According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:
"In coming back to see Yoda we have to figure out Luke's training and the fact that he never finished his training and obviously now he's got a big question he wants answered. There is a point where the hero has to be left on his own 2 feet without anyone there to help him. And you can sort of have him be in a different place for something, but at some point you have to say now all the props have been taken away and he has to face the evil monster alone. In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.
George Lucas, Return of the Jedi Audio Commentary.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:"In coming back to see Yoda we have to figure out Luke's training and the fact that he never finished his training and obviously now he's got a big question he wants answered. There is a point where the hero has to be left on his own 2 feet without anyone there to help him. And you can sort of have him be in a different place for something, but at some point you have to say now all the props have been taken away and he has to face the evil monster alone. In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.
George Lucas, Return of the Jedi Audio Commentary.
He refers to "physical and emotional" challenges. It's not necessarily that he can't face him with a blade.
Also, Vader could probably crush him in telekinesis.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIn that case, Luke's sheer Force strength is even more impressive, since he was ill-equipped and only half-trained and still bested his father (decisively).
According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:"In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
According to Lucas, Luke is not a match for Vader as of ROTJ:"In coming back to see Yoda we have to figure out Luke's training and the fact that he never finished his training and obviously now he's got a big question he wants answered. There is a point where the hero has to be left on his own 2 feet without anyone there to help him. And you can sort of have him be in a different place for something, but at some point you have to say now all the props have been taken away and he has to face the evil monster alone. In this case the scene established that the evil monster is actually his Father, and he's going to have to do it on his own, and that he's not really equipped to do it. He was too impatient, he didn't finish his studies, and now he's going to be HALF Trained to face a difficult physical and emotional challenge.
George Lucas, Return of the Jedi Audio Commentary.
Lucas lives in his own world, said so himself.