Originally posted by leonidas
counterfeit? 😕not sure what that means. they were made in the forge, but they were weaker. it's....in black and white.
"it could be used to spawn other great weapons, WEAKER than mjolnir but greater in number...." not sure what there is to disagree about. /shrug
Completely missed that 👆
Loki's Mjolnir seemed quite potent though, since he could still do energyblasts and shit.
Originally posted by krisblazeThor outright says: "Your magic FAILS YOU, Mangog":
Loki must have stolen some of Mangog's powers, but he's far from powerless.
Loki then states he had "siphoned the magics of Mangog":
http://i.imgur.com/g4eKlIS.jpg
So IF Mangog still had some power left, it was very minuscule(relative to his peak, of course.) IOW, RKT beating him really isn't that impressive...Certainly not beyond the ability of Odin himself.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo represent him 'properly', then. none
... RKT went far beyond Odin-power. He's not being represented properly in this thread.Just my humble opinion. stoned
RKT appeared in exactly 2 issues, so I'm not sure what you saw that we didn't..? Though I would be more than happy to post the references that compare RKT's power/knowledge to that of Odin himself. I would also be happy to post the references to Thor's humanity(not raw power) being the key to 'one-upping' The Fates and TWSAIS. I would also be happy to post the reference to Odin himself engineering/masterminding all of the events that led to Thor overcoming the cycle of Ragnarok. 🙂
Again, I don't mind the notion that RKT>Odin. I simply cannot agree that Thor was "far" beyond Odin-level. No-limits fallacies aside, there is more evidence that disagrees with that assertion than there is to the contrary... Frankly, I'm being quite giving here. /shrug
^ You're just applying your own preconceived notion to the statements/scenes, me thinks. The context is quite clear -- Mangog's magics had been siphoned away by Loki, leaving him vastly depowered/nigh-powerless(whichever terminology you prefer.)
Point is: RKT certainly didn't beat a peak Mangog there. IOW, that feat certainly doesn't skyrocket him to Odin-level+++.
Originally posted by Galan007
So represent him 'properly', then. noneRKT appeared in exactly 2 issues, so I'm not sure what you saw that we didn't..? Though I would be more than happy to post the references that compare RKT's power/knowledge to that of Odin himself. I would also be happy to post the references to Thor's humanity(not raw power) being the key to 'one-upping' The Fates and TWSAIS. I would also be happy to post the reference to Odin himself engineering/masterminding all of the events that led to Thor overcoming the cycle of Ragnarok. 🙂
Again, I don't mind the notion that RKT>Odin. I simply cannot agree that Thor was "far" beyond Odin-level. No-limits fallacies aside, there is more evidence that disagrees with that assertion than there is to the contrary... Frankly, I'm being quite giving here. /shrug
Yup. 👆
Cheers.
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Mangog was powerless -- Loki had been siphoning away his magics:
http://i.imgur.com/PzPb47o.jpgb.) Surtur was NOT afraid of RKT at all. He actually looked forward to a battle with him:
http://i.imgur.com/tm2jPNv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WJFHD9f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LJos4mU.jpg
RKT still sonned him.
Originally posted by Galan007
*sighs*I give up...
Your point about Mangog is well taken- but he ****ing disintegrated him. How often does that happen on comics, to anyone? Then there's the fact than he treated the Ferris Wolf and Durok like mice. And Sky father Loki, and the Fates. He was WAY above Odin.
Originally posted by zopzop
Galan busted the RKT myth like Branlor did SoK. Bookmark this thread!
Galan did not such thing. You were looking for an excuse to exercise your bias since your first post in the thread. Just because SOME of Mangog's power had been siphoned off doesn't change or negate all the other incredible feats shown by Thor in the arc. By the way, if Loki took some of Mangogs power, then Thor beheaded an amped skyfather Loki further amped by Mangog.
By the way, while you are hanging all sprawled out on Galans nuts, Galans simply gave his opinion as to Thor's power level, which he still put above Odin. So what exactly did he debunk again?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet👆
Galan did not such thing. You were looking for an excuse to exercise your bias since your first post in the thread. Just because SOME of Mangog's power had been siphoned off doesn't change or negate all the other incredible feats shown by Thor in the arc. By the way, if Loki took some of Mangogs power, then Thor beheaded an amped Loki further amped by Mangog.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet'The fact'? RKT didn't even confront/fight either of them directly, lol.
Then there's the fact than he treated the Ferris Wolf and Durok like mice.
This is a common trend I'm seeing with RKT: people just making up feats. I don't understand it at all. 😕
Originally posted by Blue Area VetEven IF you believe Loki was Skyfather-level, he was certainly at the lower-end of that tier... Below Odin-level, imo. If you have feats to the contrary, feel free to post them. 🙂
And Sky father Loki
Originally posted by Blue Area VetRKT outright stated that he could not defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose.) He beat them, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting/smashing/cutting a cosmic flaw in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate. That's it.
and the Fates. He was WAY above Odin.
It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings -- not his raw power.
RKT is only "WAY" more powerful than Odin if you ignore.... Pretty much every fact we were given in the issues. If you can prove me wrong with on-panel evidence, go right ahead. 🙂
Originally posted by Blue Area VetWatch how posters tell you how weak Loki is despite him siphoning Mangog's power as well as his own. Thor had the awareness to defeat the Fates as well which is demonstrated by the wisdom/increased power he demonstrated throughout the arc. I guess exploiting a weakness he was aware of doesn't count either. It's just another DC fanboy upset that Thor wins.
Who said Kal would be immune to the highest level Asgardian magic, magic Odin didn't even know, from another universe?
