Originally posted by Beniboybling
😉What are you struggling with, Zen. I can help. 🙂
How you guys can rank Canon chars above Legends chars?
I don't really get this, because well...two different continuities for one.
Plus the fact that supplement material is far in favor of Legends, which adds much more value.
Sooo.....yeah.
Plus to throw a wrench in this debate in regards to the Visual dictionary.
Since when is Ti ever noted or really shown as a Swordmaster?
This would be something more fitting to Drallig than to Ti, since Drallig...well is focused on lightsaber combat and technique, being the Jedi Battlemaster.
Ti never really struck me as being a Swordmaster of any kind.
The fact that they are from different continuities hardly matters when the rules of the universe are the same, and not when people compare characters across franchises.
Canon Ezra vs Legends Sidious, Legends Mighella vs Canon Vader. I shouldn't think you'd struggle determining the victor, Rebels Ahsoka vs Legends Ti is about as clear cut. 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The fact that they are from different continuities hardly matters when the rules of the universe are the same, and not when people compare characters across franchises.Canon Ezra vs Legends Sidious, Legends Mighella vs Canon Vader. I shouldn't think you'd struggle determining the victor, Rebels Ahsoka vs Legends Ti is about as clear cut. 🙂
It does matter, because in Canon things can be different.
Also of course I'm not talking about obvious mismatches.
It's also not because I don't really see it.
What has Rebels Ahsoka done that Ti couldn't do?
What? Fight a Canon Vader, who at that point has no real dueling feats of his own?
Legends Vader meanwhile has more showings of his swordsmanship than Canon Vader does around the timeframe.
Originally posted by ZenwolfBut they can still be compared just fine when you account for those differences.
It does matter, because in Canon things can be different.Also of course I'm not talking about obvious mismatches.
It's also not because I don't really see it.Vader has plenty of saber feats lol, slaughtering horde of Lyleks + the Lylek Queen (in which he kept pace with Sidious) in LotS, easily defeating Karbin i.e. Grievous 2.0, and single-handedly defeating an army of Rebel soldiers (in which he emerged unscathed) all establish him as a formidable fighter. More to the point however he's more powerful and therefore presumably stronger than Anakin (who overpowered Dooku), and Absolutely Everything You Need to Know ranks him as the #1 Sith duelist.What has Rebels Ahsoka done that Ti couldn't do?
What? Fight a Canon Vader, who at that point has no real dueling feats of his own?
Legends Vader meanwhile has more showings of his swordsmanship than Canon Vader does around the timeframe.
And Ahsoka also fought Maul, who has plenty of feats in Canon to his name.
On the other hand Ti lost to a pre-prime Marek, on a nexus, and fended off a horde of magnaguards. Ahsoka is more impressive, yeah.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But they can still be compared just fine when you account for those differences.Vader has plenty of saber feats lol, slaughtering horde of Lyleks + the Lylek Queen (in which he kept pace with Sidious) in LotS, easily defeating Karbin i.e. Grievous 2.0, and single-handedly defeating an army of Rebel soldiers (in which he emerged unscathed) all establish him as a formidable fighter. More to the point however he's more powerful and therefore presumably stronger than Anakin (who overpowered Dooku), and Absolutely Everything You Need to Know ranks him as the #1 Sith duelist.And Ahsoka also fought Maul, who has plenty of feats in Canon to his name.
On the other hand Ti lost to a pre-prime Marek, on a nexus, and fended off a horde of magnaguards. Ahsoka is more impressive, yeah.
Karbin is after Rebels as is the Rebel Army busting feat.
I'm talking about around the timeframe, not after.
I don't really see though how killing Rebels and Lyleks establish him as a great sword duelist.
Great for the accolade, but I don't really see how that makes him leaps and bounds higher.
Canon Maul has great feats in TCW, Rebels we don't know if his skills have diminished or what.
Originally posted by ZenwolfAnd Rebels is described as his prime, so I doubt he improved much.
Karbin is after Rebels as is the Rebel Army busting feat.I'm talking about around the timeframe, not after.
I don't really see though how killing Rebels and Lyleks establish him as a great sword duelist.
Because most great sword duelists would have been slaughtered under those circumstances. 😕
Originally posted by ZenwolfHigher than whom?
Great for the accolade, but I don't really see how that makes him leaps and bounds higher.Canon Maul has great feats in TCW, Rebels we don't know if his skills have diminished or what.
Considering they did not diminish between TPM and TCW, I've yet to see reason to believe they did to a notable degree.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Rebels is described as his prime, so I doubt he improved much.Because most great sword duelists would have been slaughtered under those circumstances. 😕
He could have in dueling skill, don't see why sword dueling would be a thing to stagnate.
What I mean is though, he didn't fight any other sword duelists, compared to his Legends incarnations where he has fought multiples.
Maybe it's fine for you guys, but I don't really see this, sorry.
But at any rate, we're trailing off the topic here.
So then...what about my wrench?
Plus to throw a wrench in this debate in regards to the Visual dictionary.Since when is Ti ever noted or really shown as a Swordmaster?
This would be something more fitting to Drallig than to Ti, since Drallig...well is focused on lightsaber combat and technique, being the Jedi Battlemaster.
Ti never really struck me as being a Swordmaster of any kind.
Originally posted by ZenwolfStagnate is a strong word, more like maintained. I feel like after 15 years Vader's skill would be plateauing.
He could have in dueling skill, don't see why sword dueling would be a thing to stagnate.
What I mean is though, he didn't fight any other sword duelists, compared to his Legends incarnations where he has fought multiples.I find those feats more impressive than killing the Dark Woman, and some Jedi scrubs, quite frankly.Maybe it's fine for you guys, but I don't really see this, sorry.
But at any rate, we're trailing off the topic here.Ti was stated to be one of the greatest swordbeings in the Order.So then...what about my wrench?
She's quite formidable. 😘