Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palpatine has superior showings and hype than even The Son. But you tend to be objective for The Ones. However, it goes out the window for Valkorion. Anybody with a functioning brain can see through your agenda.
Wrong. The Son has far superior hype to Sidious:
The Son was not a Sith -- his powers existed beyond the domain of the Sith Lords.
-Encyclopedia: Son
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Mystery on Mortis! Sent to discover the origin of a mysterious distress call, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano are stranded on a distant planet. There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before.
-The Clone Wars: Altar of Mortis
Originally posted by Beniboyblingand about 2 whole levels above yours. 🙂 .
About at your intellectual level, yeah.
not to mention that only those with (sub)baby-intellectual level would accept those sources written for babies, which is why you accept them completely while i refute them. this has been a bad day for you hasn't it beniboybling??
Originally posted by Azronger
Wrong. The Son has far superior hype to Sidious:The Son was not a Sith -- his powers existed beyond the domain of the Sith Lords.
-Encyclopedia: Son
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Mystery on Mortis! Sent to discover the origin of a mysterious distress call, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano are stranded on a distant planet. There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before.
-The Clone Wars: Altar of Mortis
Time for some spanking.
Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary
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It quickly became clear to Luke that this decrepit and seemingly defenseless old man was masterfully adept in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. Indeed, as Vader had warned, the Emperor had become the Dark Side's most powerful expression.
Taken from Dark Empire Endnotes
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No character (Dark Side alignment) can outgun Palpatine in hype-factor and/or establish his superiority in this manner, if he existed (and perished) earlier in the timeline.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sidious is just cosmologically more powerful, by both his feats in Force unbalancing and holistic intent. You could say that this doesn't translate into combat, but Valkorion is one of the most incompetent fighters of all time, so combat probably leans even more towards Sidious.
And what makes you think that Vitiate did not cause imbalance in the Force? It is implied in the novel. Revan highlighted this fact by declaring Vitiate as the source of imbalance during his time.
Drill this fact in your skull: Darth Plagueis and Palpatine aren't the only Force-users in galactic history to have caused imbalance in the Force, and they weren't the first either. Only difference is that imbalance in the Force is central theme of George Lucas's story and got more attention due to that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My unworthy son,Time for some spanking.
Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
Taken from [B]The Complete Visual Dictionary
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It quickly became clear to Luke that this decrepit and seemingly defenseless old man was masterfully adept in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. Indeed, as Vader had warned, the Emperor had become the Dark Side's most powerful expression.
Taken from Dark Empire Endnotes
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No character (Dark Side alignment) can outgun Palpatine in hype-factor and/or establish his superiority in this manner, if he existed (and perished) earlier in the timeline. [/B]
"Spanking" 😂
Anyway, the both quotes are older than either quote I presented, and thus retconned. And in the first one, "greatness" doesn't necessarily
mean power in the Force. And the second one is just Darth Vader's opinion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did you watch Episode 6? Palpatine's combat skills were far from spectacular in that.And what makes you think that Vitiate did not cause imbalance in the Force? It is implied in the novel. Revan highlighted this fact by declaring Vitiate as the source of imbalance during his time.
Drill this fact in your skull: Darth Plagueis and Palpatine aren't the only Force-users in galactic history to have caused imbalance in the Force, and they weren't the first either. Only difference is that imbalance in the Force is central theme of George Lucas's story and got more attention due to that.
There's a difference between someone imbalancing the Force slightly through their actions (which happens all the time), and someone literally forcing the Force with the power of their mind to be imbalanced. If you want to prove Vitiate accomplished the latter, present something more definitive than Revan's musings.
Originally posted by Azronger
"Spanking" 😂Anyway, the both quotes are older than either quote I presented, and thus retconned. And in the first one, "greatness" doesn't necessarily
mean power in the Force. And the second one is just Darth Vader's opinion.
The second one is not an opinion of Darth Vader. And even you take it that way, Darth Vader had me the Son years ago. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The first revelation could be challenged but the second one? Palpatine became the most powerful expression of the Dark Side during DE era. Nothing contradicts or challenges it.The second one is not an opinion of Darth Vader. And even you take it that way, Darth Vader had me the Son years ago. 🙂
Nowhere does it state "during DE era", just in general. And it's quite clearly stated "as Vader had warned" meaning it's just his opinion. And he met the Ones, yes, but he never witnessed their full powers on display, hence his opinion is only from a limited perspective.
Both quotes are retconned by the later sources I presented, anyway.
Originally posted by Azronger
Nowhere does it state "during DE era", just in general. And it's quite clearly stated "as Vader had warned" meaning it's just his opinion. And he met the Ones, yes, but he never witnessed their full powers on display, hence his opinion is only from a limited perspective.Both quotes are retconned by the later sources I presented, anyway.
That revelation is from Dark Empire Endnotes. After witnessing a Force Storm over Coruscant and meeting the Emperor on Byss, Luke Skywalker came to the conclusion that Palpatine had become the most powerful expression of the Dark Side (an assessment that Darth Vader also shared). We know from new content that Darth Vader had met The Son. This information only contributes to the continuity, not challenge Palpatine's supremacy because he was growing in power with passage of time.
Palpatine spent several years siphoning the life-force of the populace of Byss to recover and become stronger than ever before. He also demonstrated new powers after his recovery.
First of all, entities are generally thought to be excluded from such quotes.
Regardless, the Son's quotes coming later means that they contradict that quote. His quotes of supremacy come from 2011+, whereas the last time that Sidious was said to be the most powerful dark sider was in 2008. Ergo, the Son's quotes outright retcon Sidious'.
Valkorion, on the other hand, doesn't have access to any quotes to contradict Sidious'. Sidious has quotes from as recent as 2015 which declare him to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all, so yes, Vitiate is absolutely encompassed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
First of all, entities are generally thought to be excluded from such quotes.
Vitiate became an entity after the events of Revan, by the way.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Regardless, the Son's quotes coming later means that they contradict that quote. His quotes of supremacy come from 2011+, whereas the last time that Sidious was said to be the most powerful dark sider was in 2008. Ergo, the Son's quotes outright retcon Sidious'.
Again, The Son perished during The Clone Wars. Palpatine had significant room to grow in power since that time. Perhaps not personally, but he began to siphon the life-force of the populace of Byss to fuel his power at some point and this continued for years. Therefore, he might have surpassed The Son at some point during DE. Nothing contradicts this.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Valkorion, on the other hand, doesn't have access to any quotes to contradict Sidious'. Sidious has quotes from as recent as 2015 which declare him to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all, so yes, Vitiate is absolutely encompassed.
"His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith."
This is not a firm assessment. It arguably entails Palpatine's political strength during OT era, not just his strength in the Dark Side.
Now, tell me a source which covers Vitiate's history in full and still declares Palpatine superior in a firm manner.